Your bad driving encounters

And if the person only had to slam on their brakes because they were speeding, and there wouldn't have been an issue if they had been driving at the limit? Who's the one being inconsiderate in that situation? What makes one person's "right" to ignore the rules of the road any more important than someone else's?

The person pulling out would still be the primary cause and liable to prosecution for driving without due care & attention, as the letter of the law dictates. The speeding vehicle wouldn't be the deciding factor on blame as the speeding vehicle could be exceeding the limit for a legitimate reason, ie an unmarked police unit, approaching under 'silent & dark' protocols.

Is anyone taking bets on how much longer this circular discussion carries on before a mod nukes it? :p

I'm gonna say long before the holier than thou hypocrites give up....
 
The person pulling out would still be the primary cause and liable to prosecution for driving without due care & attention, as the letter of the law dictates. The speeding vehicle wouldn't be the deciding factor on blame as the speeding vehicle could be exceeding the limit for a legitimate reason, ie an unmarked police unit, approaching under 'silent & dark' protocols.

Who said anything about the letter of the law? We've already established that the law is flexible, and down to the individual's interpretation, I asked who would be the inconsiderate one.
 
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We've already established that the law is flexible, and down to the individual's interpretation...

Only for drivers though. Cyclists must obey all the rules all the time or they don't deserve to be on the road, even the ones who don't break any laws.
 
Yeah, to be fair this belongs in the speeding thread, it's the same circular arguments from both sides, I'm out
That’s what I was thinking, this thread already exists.

 
A proper weird one yesterday. I was a passenger in a car, and a divot kid in a Fiesta ST had overtaken us on a roundabout - fairly ok manoevre. But we were then caught in a line of traffic behind two tractors - one of which was towing a trailer.

The fella spent the entire journey weaving in and out, with his head stuck to his window desperately looking for an opportunity to overtake. Did so on 3 occasions across double white lines and with no visibility of whether anything was coming the other way. On one of those occasions had to massively cut up the person he'd passed because a car appeared.

Then the weird bit - on an actually fairly good stretch to overtake he took the rest of the queue - but as he reached the first tractor, despite having a good hundred yards of straight road with nothing coming, he wimped out and cut in behind the tractor.

Here's a couple of places where he thought overtaking was fine:


And here's where he decided it just wasn't worth the risk and aborted his overtake:
 
Then the weird bit - on an actually fairly good stretch to overtake he took the rest of the queue - but as he reached the first tractor, despite having a good hundred yards of straight road with nothing coming, he wimped out and cut in behind the tractor.

I've given up trying to understand some people - it is like the people who are right up your arse in 30s or 40s, will even do a risky overtake on you if they can, but then you get out on an NSL and they just sit there not getting going.
 
I appreciate there are not many coppers out on motorways but FFS, they need to start enforcing the lane discipline rules much more harshly. It's as if people have a phobia or fear of some allergic reaction from moving left after overtaking :mad:

Give me 1 week with the powers to do pull them over and ticket them and I would have a field day :cry:
 
Sigh, another Friday morning in Elgin and got cut up again by some bint straight lining a roundabout from the wrong lane. I was in the left lane to go straight ahead, she was in the right lane to turn right. When nothing was coming from the right we both took off at the same time but she planted her foot on the pedal and cut me off big time by going straight ahead instead of turning right which she should have done by being in the right hand lane. I really must get my dash cam fitted next week!!
 
Sigh, another Friday morning in Elgin and got cut up again by some bint straight lining a roundabout from the wrong lane. I was in the left lane to go straight ahead, she was in the right lane to turn right. When nothing was coming from the right we both took off at the same time but she planted her foot on the pedal and cut me off big time by going straight ahead instead of turning right which she should have done by being in the right hand lane. I really must get my dash cam fitted next week!!

Possibly got in the wrong lane and couldn't be bothered or didn't think that strangely enough roundabouts go all the way around and you can have another go at it.
 
Many latest observations of the mad mad world of motoring, is the pull outs on roundabouts.

I've had a few recently that I believe see a twitch from the driver alongside and see that as engage warp engines, or one goes and another Leaming will follow.

The last one above happened to me last week on one of those high speed roundabouts that lucky for me the horn and quick reactions see the two steering wheel attendants stop right in front of me and me drive through them without much more than a gnats whisker between us.

Driver one was an old boy that started the madness and driver two was a young lady that just had to follow Captain Death.
 
On the M62 today as I was returning from work, the gantries had lowered the speed limit to 60. I was in lane 3 and I overtook the big lorry in lane 2 and subsequently moved to lane 1. I did this for legal as well as to not annoy people behind who carry on doing 70 until they see a camera.

Speed limit then dropped to 50, and the lorry behind and the one in lane 2 were side by side. The one behind me gets annoyed and flashes lights for no reason. Lorry in lane 2 overtakes me going above and carries on. Lorry behind me however continued to tailgate. Now this guy had ample of chance to move in lane 2 and overtake and go his merry way, but he didn't.

He backed off after failing to scare me with all the tailgating. Lorry took the next exit. And as he passed me on the left went honking and did the w@kr gesture twice to my amusement.

On a fun note at the same stretch a BMW M4 was merging without indicating. He got into the space I had left in between the car ahead for merging. Surprisingly I got the thank you hazard light flash. :)
 
Many latest observations of the mad mad world of motoring, is the pull outs on roundabouts.

I've had a few recently that I believe see a twitch from the driver alongside and see that as engage warp engines, or one goes and another Leaming will follow.

The last one above happened to me last week on one of those high speed roundabouts that lucky for me the horn and quick reactions see the two steering wheel attendants stop right in front of me and me drive through them without much more than a gnats whisker between us.

Driver one was an old boy that started the madness and driver two was a young lady that just had to follow Captain Death.

Posted about similar recently - seems ever since the sun came out there has been a up tick in people driving poorly - saw today where someone at the front of the queue in lane 2 at a roundabout saw a gap and gunned for it and the 2 people behind dumbly followed on forcing someone on the roundabout to brake hard and pretty sure they weren't just being pushy but never even saw or looked for the other car at all just reacted to the one in front moving.

Same with people dumbly following others into yellow boxed areas.
 
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