Euthanasia need to be considered in UK?
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Wow 
wasn't expecting that thought it'd get voted down for sure. Some good news for once.
wasn't expecting that thought it'd get voted down for sure. Some good news for once.Wow
The first time a similar bill was debated was 1936, more latterly 1997 and 2015. Allegedly Diane Abbot was only at the last two.
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Definitely a step in the right direction
Devil's advocate: You ******* ghoul
Do the pillow and take the karmic hit to your soul if you really want to go down that route for dementia in your family.
I don't know what the rest of you are so chuffed about.
My grandmother is in a care home and has dementia; why should I want her put down like a dog? Is her (and her late husband's) combined pension over £50k a year too much of a drain on society? Their house is sold and the income is being hoovered up 10x over and the council tops up the rest with care home living. Has the ultra profitable elder care industry not taken enough?
Across the Atlantic, we've got mid-20s Canadians who are feeling a serotonin imbalance and are now being granted assisted dying.
Can't lie, this forum is a liberal hellhole 'current thing' 'sensible liberal folk' and general right POS.
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No, in my opinion it is not and never was about reducing elder care or saving money.. It is about allowing people "with cognitive capacity" to make the choice to end their lives at a time of their choosing. Dealing with a debilitating painful condition right at the end of life. That is a good thing and a right thing to do.
You know this law doesn't force you to euthanize your grandmother, right?
And "putting someone down like a dog" is exactly what people do want, because thats the humane thing to do rather than force them to stay alive in unbearable suffering.
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about time it was passed, i really cannot belive the amount of objection to it, if you have a debilitating condition or terminal condition and you have the mental capacity to decide you should have the right to end your life
i wonder if any of the objectors would change their minds if they were end cronic pain or terminal, i reckon they would
i wonder if any of the objectors would change their minds if they were end cronic pain or terminal, i reckon they would
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yeah my dad had dementia and he wanted to go, he saw no point in staying, he suffered for a couple of years till he died would have been much better to end it sooner for everyoneYou know this law doesn't force you to euthanize your grandmother, right?
And "putting someone down like a dog" is exactly what people do want, because thats the humane thing to do rather than force them to stay alive in unbearable suffering.
Sounds good in theory, but outside depressed 20 year old Canadian's, who with capacity is going to fast track themselves beyond palliative care to assisted termination?
There's the issue of those who are bed bound, fully cognizant, and utterly miserable and in pain without hope. That's a discussion worthy of assisted dying, but not what was said above about it being a dementia thing.
She now exists in a new world of non-verbal communication and smiling at others. Long ago she lost the ability to be herself or recognise family members. Is she suffering? There's no evidence of that.You know this law doesn't force you to euthanize your grandmother, right?
And "putting someone down like a dog" is exactly what people do want, because thats the humane thing to do rather than force them to stay alive in unbearable suffering.
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I do understand concerns about coercion and probably even more so, about elderly people feeling like a burden. But a lot of the concerns expressed in the debate yesterday seemed based on hypothetical fears afaict, rather than evidenced by significant issues in places that already have AD in place.
Lots? There's thousands of people who use Dignitas every year, and that costs around £15k, so obviously if the financial barrier wasn't there the numbers would be higher.
If you understand and accept the concept, then you're just arguing about where the line is drawn. Everyone agrees there has to be a balance between personal choice and protections from exploitation.
Then there's no impetus for her euthenisation just because she has dementia, but that's not the same for everyone. I'll say again, you don't have to knock her off...
My friends wife was diagnosed with mesothelioma last year, incurable, terminal lung cancer from asbestos.
She took a course of immunotherapy, which didn't work so the other option was chemo. She decided that to go through all that pain and misery, just to extend her life for a few months wasn't worth it, so declined further treatment. We all then had to just sit and wait for her to slowly die and by the end few weeks she was just either in intense pain or completely out of it on morphine. Such a ridiculous situation for all involved that she couldn't just bring the inevitable forward and end her life before having to suffer at the end.
Like you say, if it was a dog, you'd have put them down because you wouldn't want them to suffer.
She took a course of immunotherapy, which didn't work so the other option was chemo. She decided that to go through all that pain and misery, just to extend her life for a few months wasn't worth it, so declined further treatment. We all then had to just sit and wait for her to slowly die and by the end few weeks she was just either in intense pain or completely out of it on morphine. Such a ridiculous situation for all involved that she couldn't just bring the inevitable forward and end her life before having to suffer at the end.
Like you say, if it was a dog, you'd have put them down because you wouldn't want them to suffer.
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You realise this is about choice. Dementia is tricky because we need the ability to make our choice before we end up like a vegetable in a home.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything.
Went through the exact same my friend. Mums cancer spread, towards the end it was in her lungs, brain, back, made her blind. I also thought exactly like you about the subject, My mum was a fighter and she gave it all she had, Even when she went blind and she was bed ridden not moving, I could not imagine of putting her to sleep,. It wasnt my choice and she was unable to make it.
The idea you are thinking of is very personal, There will be a lot of different opinions. For me i decided on a No, As unfortunately we really dont know what they want at that stage.
My thoughts are with you <3 Was one of hardest times of my life.
YOU don't get to want anything here. The law allows people to choose their own death, it does not let other people choose for them.
Because people put a big emphasis on human life for some reason like it means anything. We are just meat bag's like everything else on this dirt ball, nothing special.
They are also misinterpreting what it actually means thinking you can just opt to put down your grandma (as Vexr has mentioned). When in fact it's only passed for people who's been given 6 months to live, in pain\suffering, fully cognitive to make the decision and been assessed by multiple doctors.
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There are concerns - valid ones, IMO - about coercion or implied burden. But as far as I can see, this law will just mean there is a choice available to those that want it, and there will be many hoops to jump through before it's approved. Sadly people like @Vexr seem to think this is forced euthanasia for old people. I know for a fact if I get a terminal cancer diagnosis I'd be signing straight up - **** suffering like that, and watching my family see me suffer like that.
I'm quite far in the "for" camp, probably moreso than others. I'd actually just make all suicide legal and assisted. If you've decided you've had enough, that's your choice - go to a clinic, have a calm, humane death instead of having to jump off a building or lie in front of a train. None of us chose to be here, at least let people have a choice about when they leave.