This Bryan Kohberger case, shows death penalty is flawed?

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Peter Sullivan: Man jailed for 1986 murder has conviction quashed

Peter Sullivan, 68, says he is "not bitter" after one of the UK's biggest miscarriages of justice.
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"Peter Sullivan was jailed over the 1986 killing of 21-year-old barmaid Diane Sindall, who was subjected to a frenzied sexual attack in Birkenhead, Merseyside, as she walked home from a shift."

Pretty sure if we still had the death penalty in '86 this guy would have been for the drop. Luckily we didn't. You can never be 100% sure.
 
So crazy. Hopefully the state pay him a **** load of money and he can live out the rest of his life to the absolute max
 
Trusty said:
So crazy. Hopefully the state pay him a **** load of money and he can live out the rest of his life to the absolute max
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He's 68. An old man. That has had no life. I wouldn't want to be him even if the tax payer gave him £billions. Poor guy.
 
Hotwired said:
Minus the cost of housing and feeding him for all those years because everyone likes a good joke.
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It was disgraceful that Andy Malkinson was treated this way. The state will refuse to admit fault and bleed you dry even when they've stolen your best years from you given half a chance.
 
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Always been against the death penalty. I do flippantly say "Oh they should get the death penalty for X" but when push comes to shove I can't support it, in good faith. Just feels like a revenge mechanism.

I think a life in confinement is much worse/better punishment than being put down and if evidence later comes out that the accused was not guilty, it's a lot easier to release someone from prison than it is to raise them from the dead unless your name is Papa Legba
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
I’m assuming it was a pretty heinous murder for this person to be considered for the death penalty.

Also what’s the summary of the evidence? What makes you say there is a 5% chance he didn’t do it.
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Summary of the evidence: his mobile pinpoints there (before going off), he went on odd night drives, sheath found has his DNA on, he was a student of criminology.

The doubt: no knife found, no obvious motive, he could just be a wacko
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Surely that’s that more to do with the fact that people are assumed to be innocent until proven guilty. You don’t need to prove your innocence.
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It’s based on the idea of reasonable doubt - proving anything to 100% can be almost impossible, and that goes for both ways for guilt. We can’t say for absolute certainty that they’re innocent and didn’t do the crime (circumstantial evidence), but there’s not enough evidence to say that they definitely did do it so they’re found ‘not guilty’.

It’s similar to religious belief, where I don’t say that god doesn’t exist (because how could I know that) I just don’t believe that it does due to lack of evidence. I find all gods ‘not guilty’ of existing.
 
Bryan Kohberger accepts plea deal in Idaho student murders case.

But most people knew he did it.

The DA not asking the family is shamful.
 
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tenofspades said:
I don't know if anyone has followed this Bryan Kohberger case.

There were student murders in Idaho. And the suspect is this guy.

Everything looks a red flag, but there's no smoking gun. You could say 95% chance he did it, but there's that 5% doubt. There is no 100% bang to rights proof. For example, could there have been someone else on the scene? No way of 100% knowing.
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There is now and there always was "100% bang to rights proof."
 
The UK got it wrong a few times when we did have the death sentence. Unlike the US, executions were carried out within weeks of the crime.

I'm for the death penalty, however, it will never work in the UK. Could you imagine the first execution - the country would come to a standstill and the protests!

I'm amazed with US prison sentences, they are insane. Not criticising, but being sent to a supermax prison must be hell on earth. Life usually means life without parole and yet so many citizens are prepared to murder - guessing its free access to firearms and human behaviour.

There have been many cases where the evidence is clear cut, just hang them. Where there is an element of doubt or grey area, prison sentence.

Whenever there is an argument that an alleged innocent has been sentenced - the murders stopped. Always seems a bit of a coincidence.
 
Ninco! said:
I'm amazed with US prison sentences, they are insane. Not criticising, but being sent to a supermax prison must be hell on earth. Life usually means life without parole and yet so many citizens are prepared to murder - guessing its free access to firearms and human behaviour.
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Reducing the ease of access to very dangerous items and hopefully downgrading the outcome of emotion driven attacks to survivable bodily injury is mostly good even if a waste of time and inconvenience for everyone.

But if you have a burning desire to kill someone for a wrong that won't let you sleep, well, it's £4.99 for a 16 ounce claw hammer from Screwfix and it'll only take seconds. Wipe your ass with the consequences later.
 
Hotwired said:
Reducing the ease of access to very dangerous items and hopefully downgrading the outcome of emotion driven attacks to survivable bodily injury is mostly good even if a waste of time and inconvenience for everyone.

But if you have a burning desire to kill someone for a wrong that won't let you sleep, well, it's £4.99 for a 16 ounce claw hammer from Screwfix and it'll only take seconds. Wipe your ass with the consequences later.
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I agree, no matter what controls are put in place. You cant buy a knife without hassle. The Police get vilified for stop and search, blocking stuff on the Internet just aint going to happen. The US has full life sentences, and the death penalty in some states and still not a deterrent.

No matter whatever grudge, vendetta, excuse or blame; If you have the will to destroy lives, obtaining a weapon isn't hard. Whether a willy waving 'novelty' sword, kitchen knife, hammer from the shed, or use a car.
 
Ninco! said:
The UK got it wrong a few times when we did have the death sentence. Unlike the US, executions were carried out within weeks of the crime.

I'm for the death penalty, however, it will never work in the UK. Could you imagine the first execution - the country would come to a standstill and the protests!

I'm amazed with US prison sentences, they are insane. Not criticising, but being sent to a supermax prison must be hell on earth. Life usually means life without parole and yet so many citizens are prepared to murder - guessing its free access to firearms and human behaviour.

There have been many cases where the evidence is clear cut, just hang them. Where there is an element of doubt or grey area, prison sentence.

Whenever there is an argument that an alleged innocent has been sentenced - the murders stopped. Always seems a bit of a coincidence.
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The US is living proof that harsh punishment as a deterrent does not work when it comes to preventing crime. People may assume that criminals carry out a risk/reward analysis before deciding to break the law. In reality it's more likely to be an act of desperation, stupidity, habit, passion, mental health crisis or whatever. Better to spend the money on addressing the underlying societal issues than on building more supermax prisons.
 
Mr Badger said:
The US is living proof that harsh punishment as a deterrent does not work when it comes to preventing crime. People may assume that criminals carry out a risk/reward analysis before deciding to break the law. In reality it's more likely to be an act of desperation, stupidity, habit, passion, mental health crisis or whatever. Better to spend the money on addressing the underlying societal issues than on building more supermax prisons.
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I see your point. Belief is another I would add to the list.

Personally, there are people that no matter what; cannot or will never be rehabitated and will always pose a danger. Therefore life or a death sentence are warranted. Those who commit the most clear cut heinous acts, the harshest outcome is warranted.

One of the 1969 triple cop murderers receiving life only to be quietly released, this was wrong in my view. Should never have been released.
 
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dirtychinchilla said:
This is how GD used to be. I don't believe that the death penalty is acceptable in any case. The government should not be allowed to murder its citizens, amongst many other reasonable arguments.
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Ironically that same government forces its citizens to pay for keeping the criminals locked up at huge expense, though the threat of violence of taxation.

I'd say the latter was the bigger injustice.
 
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