This Business and Moment...

dirtychinchilla said:
I'm going to ask the director I work with most days, but I guess the reality is that they're saying, "OK, give him what he's asked for, but if he doesn't pull his socks up, we'll be having a very different conversation."
It's a weird one - I would almost have been more comfortable with the 3.8%. Anyway, ate some sushi to celebrate.
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Seems quite executive to me. There seems to be a happy 'eat what you kill' view from the directors. You want the monies - you brings the kills.. it also means all the executive stress as you're finding out. Now I think you need to have more confidence in yourself - perhaps some exec training/coaching at the same time?

I think part of my dropped role was due to budgets, so people don't move and thus open req for roles get cancelled.

I see that the company that owns the Monster job site and CareerBuilder has filed for bankruptcy.
 
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NickK said:
Seems quite executive to me. There seems to be a happy 'eat what you kill' view from the directors. You want the monies - you brings the kills.. it also means all the executive stress as you're finding out. Now I think you need to have more confidence in yourself - perhaps some exec training/coaching at the same time?

I think part of my dropped role was due to budgets, so people don't move and thus open req for roles get cancelled.

I see that the company that owns the Monster job site and CareerBuilder has filed for bankruptcy.
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Sorry to hear that about your role. I hope you it hasn't affected you too badly.

Yes, you're probably right on the eat what you kill view. I'm coming towards the end of an executive MBA, but unfortunately it hasn't given me a great deal of practical skills. I am going to try and take what I've learned and apply it to the strategy for our new heat pumps, though - that's one of the new jobs I have, which is cool. I like strategy and I'm excited about it - I just need to shed some of my normal work and focus. Focus is a problem, though.
 
I see that in the US there's a class action suit against Workday by a growing number of plaintiffs that allege the Workday AI reject people over 40 before providing them to customer HR processes. Essentially they allege that their AI is discriminating against them.

Now:
1. It's not clear how they know (evidence) the AI is actually reject their CVs before it gets to the WD customer processes, and that it's not the WD customer processes automatically do it.
2. I suspect that their case is designed to force WD to reveal the reasoning process as part of the case to defend thus validating their claim.

Now statistically they could point to WD application and non-WD applications and show the difference, but then that could also be the WD customers rejecting based on discrimination where the WD appealing to similar customers. There's too many variables in that approach.
 
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NickK said:
I see that in the US there's a class action suit against Workday by a growing number of plaintiffs that allege the Workday AI reject people over 40 before providing them to customer HR processes. Essentially they allege that their AI is discriminating against them.

Now:
1. It's not clear how they know (evidence) the AI is actually reject their CVs before it gets to the WD customer processes, and that it's not the WD customer processes automatically do it.
2. I suspect that their case is designed to force WD to reveal the reasoning process as part of the case to defend thus validating their claim.

Now statistically they could point to WD application and non-WD applications and show the difference, but then that could also be the WD customers rejecting based on discrimination where the WD appealing to similar customers. There's too many variables in that approach.
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Seen a fair few people write about applying as X and then applying with the exact same details as Y, whether it be gender, obviously foreign name etc - assume it's something similar here.
 
OspreyO said:
AI has a certain phrasing that sticks out most of the time. It's almost too perfect. Too well formed.
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I'm a product of the 1970s English taught (or more correctly not taught) in schools. In the past I've had a Cambridge educated boss pick holes repeatedly.. hence own a number of grammar textbooks and still use grammarly pro to sanity check - when I'm tired or ill I can see the number of corrections increase! I can tell you what a noun is, a verb but imperfect/abverbs etc nope.. I'l pretty sure those weren't taught.
Above my head right now on the bookshelf sit:
* Improve your writing skills
* My grammar and I (or should that be me?)
* The elements of style (that's the little Strunk and White book)
* Self editing for fiction writers
 
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I hear you.

But what I meant is people have a distinct way of taking and writing. They will be imperfect in how they write. AI isn't. It uses extremely well constructed sentence, not just the grammar but just the extra right word or phrase.
 
OspreyO said:
Maybe use a better AI...
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Just basing off the majority of what the most common people use, the big ones. I don't have issues with them, but they're very obvious because popular ones output a very distinguishiable output. Having worked in a University it was a very common discussion. It's defiinitely gotten better though. But still very easily identifiable.
 
Had an initial call with a firm a mate works at. The work and industry really interest me and I feel it has a better pipeline in the short-medium term than my current industry.

Call was positive, although I think my salary requirements (15% increase on current) were a stumbling block. I said I won't be moving for less than the top of their range for that grade to which they suggested that due to my lack of experience in that specific industry that might not be possible.

I do have two years experience in that industry and the core skills are transferable with the key domain knowledge being picked up within a matter of month in my view. Industry can't have it both ways where they want outsiders to come in and bring experience from another industry but then aren't prepared to remunerate fairly.

Did I go in too hot? Ultimately I won't move for less than that as the commute is more costly which would eat up most of the increase in salary. So the ball is in their court I suppose.
 
Throrik said:
Just basing off the majority of what the most common people use, the big ones. I don't have issues with them, but they're very obvious because popular ones output a very distinguishiable output. Having worked in a University it was a very common discussion. It's defiinitely gotten better though. But still very easily identifiable.
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Maybe in the early days. These days it's mostly well formed and concise. That's why it's popular. It's written better than most people. If it wasn't people wouldn't use it.
 
Macky said:
Had an initial call with a firm a mate works at. The work and industry really interest me and I feel it has a better pipeline in the short-medium term than my current industry.

Call was positive, although I think my salary requirements (15% increase on current) were a stumbling block. I said I won't be moving for less than the top of their range for that grade to which they suggested that due to my lack of experience in that specific industry that might not be possible.

I do have two years experience in that industry and the core skills are transferable with the key domain knowledge being picked up within a matter of month in my view. Industry can't have it both ways where they want outsiders to come in and bring experience from another industry but then aren't prepared to remunerate fairly.

Did I go in too hot? Ultimately I won't move for less than that as the commute is more costly which would eat up most of the increase in salary. So the ball is in their court I suppose.
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Depends where you are in your career and your age. If you're at the early part of your career or young, and it's tactical move then you might earn it back.. If older and at other end of your career you might not.
 
A contact just emailed me to ask about a potential contractor.

He's told me my response ("they are seen as a very optimistic organisation") was magnificently tactful, which I am taking as a compliment. He now wants a phone call so I can let rip.

Can't people read between the lines these days?
 
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Macky said:
Did I go in too hot? Ultimately I won't move for less than that as the commute is more costly which would eat up most of the increase in salary. So the ball is in their court I suppose.
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They can only say no. If they approached you, rather than vice versa, then I suspect they're interested in you - you're less risk. Sounds like they need to go away and convince the real budget holder - issue being their mid financial cycle.
There's still a possibility they say no.. then come back around to offer 15% possibly a few months down the line.
 
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