Poll: Official 2025 British Grand Prix Race Thread - Silverstone Circuit, Northamptonshire - Race 12/24

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The weather forecast seems to have changed somewhat since the OP. Could be an interesting changeable race with a few showers and still being warm enough to dry it out between them.

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Normally I'd say rain equals a good result for Lewis, but I'm not so sure this time, given he isn't happy with the Ferrari brakes. Seems crazy why he can't get the brake system he's happy with from Mercedes days fitted.

Will this be the weekend where Norris and Piastri finally have their proper collision where they take each other out, in the style of Seb/Webber and Lewis/Rosberg?
 
It's because Brembo have supplied the Ferrari F1 team for over 40 years. Every Ferrari road car sold uses Brembos as well. For them to switch to CI (I think it was) would not go down well politically - never mind financially and technically - and Ferrari love their politics.
 
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Yeh you don't ruin a 40 year old relationship with your brake supplier because the driver you hired for probably 2 seasons tops doesn't get on with them.

Anyway, yay for Silverstone, one of the few classic tracks that delivers decent races at an acceptable rate
 
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UTmaniac said:
Normally I'd say rain equals a good result for Lewis, but I'm not so sure this time, given he isn't happy with the Ferrari brakes. Seems crazy why he can't get the brake system he's happy with from Mercedes days fitted.
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I doubt these things are that plug and play. F1 cars are so overdesigned that every tiny change has dozens of knock-on effects.
 
I remain surprised that a 7 time world champion who’s had to master some wildly different cars during his career is still struggling to adjust to brakes that feel different after 11 races.
 
I still find the Red Bull second seat utterly perplexing.

No explanation holds the water for me. I think Max is an extremely fast (if not the fastest) driver on the grid, but I refuse to believe he is THAT far ahead of all the people who have taken that second seat. At the same time I find it hard to believe Red Bull have made a complete back marker of a car as well.

Whole thing is wildly odd.
 
Lindblad's going to be driving Yuki's Red Bull on Friday - his first time driving an F1 car. Hopefully, it goes better than Antonelli's first go did.
 
Jono8 said:
I still find the Red Bull second seat utterly perplexing.

No explanation holds the water for me. I think Max is an extremely fast (if not the fastest) driver on the grid, but I refuse to believe he is THAT far ahead of all the people who have taken that second seat. At the same time I find it hard to believe Red Bull have made a complete back marker of a car as well.

Whole thing is wildly odd.
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I think we'll never know. When 2026 starts, it will be a new era and car design. The only way we would be able to find out is if you put a top driver in the second car right now (not happening) or if you switched Max to the second car and Yuki to Max's car. (Not happening).
 
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Lindblad's going to be driving Yuki's Red Bull on Friday - his first time driving an F1 car. Hopefully, it goes better than Antonelli's first go did.
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Will give them some interesting data since Silverstone is where they've had all of the other driver tests.
 
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I think we'll never know. When 2026 starts, it will be a new era and car design. The only way we would be able to find out is if you put a top driver in the second car right now (not happening) or if you switched Max to the second car and Yuki to Max's car. (Not happening).
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I don't believe there's any systemic differences between the two cars we don't know about (i.e. upgrades go first to Max and Yuki running the old floor because he broke the new one, etc), I think it's more down to team focus, car development, and talent. Red Bull is completely focused on Max, and only runs the second car because it has to, and that has to make things hard for the second driver mentally as well as meaning that the car hardly ever develops in the direction they prefer and they don't even get as much help with setup, etc. and are guaranteed the inferior strategy. We've seen with Albon and Checo how a driver can start out doing okay against Max but fall further behind as time goes on, as the mental pressure of being unable to match Max takes its toll and magnifies in a completely unsupportive environment. Meanwhile, Newey builds cars that go as fast as possible and sees the drivers job as to shut up and drive it rather than compromising for their benefit, which has produced an extremely hard car to drive and amplifies every difficulty the second driver has.

I do wonder how different Albon's time in RB would have been without those two incidents with Lewis. A solid podium in his first season at Brazil would have put him just 3 pts behind Max in the tally of points in their races together, and a win in 2020 could easily have given him the confidence he needed and a base to build from. We will never know. He's certainly the post-DR driver who has come closest, but also one of many who were underprepared: Gasly was in his second season, Albon hadn't even had that much time, Lawson likewise, and whilst Yuki is certainly experienced giving him the car mid-season robbed him of time to prepare for their seat and learn the RB before he hit the track.
 
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I don't believe there's any systemic differences between the two cars we don't know about (i.e. upgrades go first to Max and Yuki running the old floor because he broke the new one, etc), I think it's more down to team focus, car development, and talent. Red Bull is completely focused on Max, and only runs the second car because it has to, and that has to make things hard for the second driver mentally as well as meaning that the car hardly ever develops in the direction they prefer and they don't even get as much help with setup, etc. and are guaranteed the inferior strategy. We've seen with Albon and Checo how a driver can start out doing okay against Max but fall further behind as time goes on, as the mental pressure of being unable to match Max takes its toll and magnifies in a completely unsupportive environment. Meanwhile, Newey builds cars that go as fast as possible and sees the drivers job as to shut up and drive it rather than compromising for their benefit, which has produced an extremely hard car to drive and amplifies every difficulty the second driver has.

I do wonder how different Albon's time in RB would have been without those two incidents with Lewis. A solid podium in his first season at Brazil would have put him just 3 pts behind Max in the tally of points in their races together, and a win in 2020 could easily have given him the confidence he needed and a base to build from. We will never know. He's certainly the post-DR driver who has come closest, but also one of many who were underprepared: Gasly was in his second season, Albon hadn't even had that much time, Lawson likewise, and whilst Yuki is certainly experienced giving him the car mid-season robbed him of time to prepare for their seat and learn the RB before he hit the track.
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Agree with all that, and then you get the slightest thing which becomes like the butterfly effect. These cars are on a knife edge of a performance window. If one thing is off, it makes lots of other things off, which makes even more things off, which equals times way, way off. We've seen this a lot in this era of F1, where people aren't just slightly off the pace, they are way off as the overall package is just not working as one.
 
Stu999 said:
I used to like it when the races all started at 1pm. Cater to my colonial British needs.
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I used to like the races that came on at 7pm or later (ie America) when I had f1 TV.

Now I like them as early as possible as the replays aren't available for hours after.

I never watch f1 midday as the weather is just too nice in summer.
 
Jono8 said:
I still find the Red Bull second seat utterly perplexing.

No explanation holds the water for me. I think Max is an extremely fast (if not the fastest) driver on the grid, but I refuse to believe he is THAT far ahead of all the people who have taken that second seat. At the same time I find it hard to believe Red Bull have made a complete back marker of a car as well.

Whole thing is wildly odd.
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Its so strange.
It must be the car surely? 3 drivers all doing better in the junior team than RBR.

In some ways I hope max leaves because maybe he's even more amazing than we think?

Let's say Russell goes to RBR with someone else and both cars are at the back?

It would also be good to see if verstappen can beat someone we know is good. Or if the RBR really is set up just for him.



One of my frustrations with f1 is it's so hard to benchmark drivers. It's rare to get a situation with 2 good drivers in same team as that's only way yo really work Out who's good.
 
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