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It's worth an actual read rather than just the pre-judged "8GB is bad" mantra that many here have.

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The pricing is still an issue - you'd be mad not to spend the little extra and get a 16GB model. If this was £239 or whatever then it would be far more attractive for those truly on a tight budget. As always there's rarely bad products, just bad pricing.
Doesn't take much to actually read "Only 8 GB VRAM, requires manual settings optimization in many games" in that screenshot. Which is being very kind.
 
I agree with this overall but do caveat as a former system builder that some individuals and almost every OEM aims for money saving, but for very different reasons. So there is a market for these low cost GPUs because they are fine if you want a cheapish 1080p desktop, or a reasonable cheap gaming laptop.

The problem we have is Nvidia and sometimes AMD have been giving unnecessarily cut down amounts of VRAM on otherwise decent spec GPUs for years. Normally a GPU is balanced enough that it runs out of grunt long before lack of VRAM becomes an issue. These GPUs are already at the serious compromise on settings stage.
 
Doesn't take much to actually read "Only 8 GB VRAM, requires manual settings optimization in many games" in that screenshot. Which is being very kind.
And doesn't take much to actually read the review text not the summary which explains which settings were changed. Settings you'd expect to have to change on an entry level card regardless (even on a 16gb card some of the settings would still need to be changed).

I don't know where the mindset of expecting graphics cards to play everything without touching any settings came from? In the past it was a necessity on every entry level/mid range card.

A question for everyone - if the 8Gb was called the 9050XT and priced at £239 would you still have a problem with it?
 
And doesn't take much to actually read the review text not the summary which explains which settings were changed. Settings you'd expect to have to change on an entry level card regardless (even on a 16gb card some of the settings would still need to be changed).

I don't know where the mindset of expecting graphics cards to play everything without touching any settings came from? In the past it was a necessity on every entry level/mid range card.

A question for everyone - if the 8Gb was called the 9050XT and priced at £239 would you still have a problem with it?
The point was that your own example was at odds with your point. They literally listed the VRAM allocation as a con. You should not be compromising at 1080p in 2025 unless you're using iGPU. Imagine how it'll be in a couple of years.

If it was called something different, priced at £200 and had a GPU that wasn't throttled purely by the poor VRAM allocation - no.

I honestly don't understand the defence of VRAM stagnation. There is no drawback to having enough for the GPU to actually perform. It actively benefits everybody.
 
I'll say again what i have been saying from the start of all this VRam crap, my problem has never been with the existence of 8GB cards, my problem was always with charging £600 for them, they are no longer trying that on, take the win!

8GB cards is a choice, i like to see tech journalists show the problems one could have with that, but make it part of the overall review of the product and make it a whole review about every aspect of the product.

This 8GB VRam stuff has become their entire reason for existing, Frank is correct in saying people still buy 8GB cards in large numbers, Steam proves that out given 8GB cards are the ones witch top the Hardware Survey charts, they are not going to stop giving people that choice when they demonstrate overwhelmingly that they want that choice, so wind your neck's in Steve's.
Agreed but if 8gb never existed, I doubt people will riot on the streets demanding nvidia and and to sell 8gb card variant
 
No but they'd probably demand a cheaper card if entry level cards started at £315, and the 8GB is, err, £45 cheaper than that :)

It fills a gap in the market, not for the majority of enthusiasts in a PC forum and it should have a different name but it exists and people are buying it.
 
There's nothing wrong with an 8GB card at the right price. The main issue is that Nvidia and AMD have watered down card models that didn't need to be watered down by creating them alongside a 16GB version that is clearly more capable.

If the 9060XT 8GB was just a 9060 and the 5060Ti 8GB didn't exist (the 5060 already exists) then I assume a lot more people would be ok with it. A price reduction should happen too though.
 
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apparently AMD new drivers have increased performance by up to 27% in some games and overall by 9% @1440p.


Link seems to only shows rdna4 performance, would be interesting to see if rdna3 also benefits
 
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apparently AMD new drivers have increased performance by up to 27% in some games and overall by 9% @1440p.


AMD's marketing team is pretty bad to not advertise improvements in their driver notes. Nvidia usually shouts about it even if they get 5% extra performance in a single game.
 
AMD's marketing team is pretty bad to not advertise improvements in their driver notes. Nvidia usually shouts about it even if they get 5% extra performance in a single game.

Word of month is fine, also AMD marketing (especially the Radeon side) would balls it up somehow, so prob for the best they stay quiet.
 
Doesn't take much to actually read "Only 8 GB VRAM, requires manual settings optimization in many games" in that screenshot. Which is being very kind.
PC options tweaking has been a thing for PC gaming since its inception and its pretty much always standard for any actual PC gamer to go into the options settings to tweak settings.

The amount of people who don't know what DOF is and what a lot of settings do is embarrassing.

Even if I had a 5090, I would still tweak a lot of settings.
 
Wouldn't call 9% a small gain. Would you call 9% a small pay rise at work?
I think it depends on context. 9% of £100,000,000 is a lot, 9% of a small pizza is not.

If I had 150fps before and now have 164fps it makes little difference as my monitor's refresh rate is 120fps, so I'll likely notice little to no difference (maybe a few 1% lows might have been below 120fps).
If I had 45fps before and now have 49fps, it's not making much difference.

Now I'd imagine most people will have tweaked their graphics settings so their fps is at a range that's acceptable to them, I'm not sure 9% is going to cause too many people to adjust their graphics settings and gain a massively different experience.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing obviously, just that I can understand why they've not bothered to make a big thing about it. Besides which there have been a few drivers since release so it likely they didn't deliver the 9% in one driver, more likely it was smaller gains over time.
 
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