Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

aaronyuri said:
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The gears are annoyingly long on the manual car. Especially second.
The engine noise just isn't there. It's restrained and doesn't have that semi inducing flat 6 howl. A consequence of regulations, but still a valid point nonetheless.
Sometimes, the extreme refinement disconnects you from the experience. It's wonderfully quick, but that isn't the whole experience for many. The steering is a big gripe of mine in this aspect. My 987R had significantly better steering feel due to being hydraulic.

In summary: it parallels the lines between good and great, but ultimately falls short of being a truly great car.

If it had hydraulic steering and that real flat 6 howl with slightly shorter gears, it'd be one of the best Porsches ever made.
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I completely agree as found the same having had a 718 GT4 for a couple of weeks:




In short the 718 GT4 is a great only car, does everything so well, but the older 987R or 987Spyder simply trumps it particular on steering feel been in another league and also been a much smaller footprint on the road. Along with smaller wheels and lower redline means the gearing is somewhat more sensible with 2nd been circa 74mph in the 987 generation VS around 80mph (PDK) / 85mph (manual) on the 718 generation.

718 sounds good but sounds somewhat odd (maybe fake or piped in) whereas the 987 is a full on real flat 6 howl.

In the end I preferred the 987R its a better more fun road car, if I was doing a lot of track days per year then yes 718 GT4 all the way.
Though in the end whether you own a 718 GT4 or 987R it is splitting hairs as both cars are exceptional.

A 718 GT4 with hydraulic steering, shorter gearing and slightly smaller footprint would be perfection, GT4 RS solves the gearing issue and of course fantastic motor, am yet to try one but those who have either complain about the ride quality and noise or love it.

My mate had a new 718 Spyder RS on order which I was looking forward to trying, but he had a go in my 600 LT and has since cancelled his Porsche order and is buying a used 600 LT instead, dope should have not let him try it. :D
 
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Gibbo said:
I completely agree as found the same having had a 718 GT4 for a couple of weeks:




In short the 718 GT4 is a great only car, does everything so well, but the older 987R or 987Spyder simply trumps it particular on steering feel been in another league and also been a much smaller footprint on the road. Along with smaller wheels and lower redline means the gearing is somewhat more sensible with 2nd been circa 74mph in the 987 generation VS around 80mph (PDK) / 85mph (manual) on the 718 generation.

718 sounds good but sounds somewhat odd (maybe fake or piped in) whereas the 987 is a full on real flat 6 howl.

In the end I preferred the 987R its a better more fun road car, if I was doing a lot of track days per year then yes 718 GT4 all the way.
Though in the end whether you own a 718 GT4 or 987R it is splitting hairs as both cars are exceptional.

A 718 GT4 with hydraulic steering, shorter gearing and slightly smaller footprint would be perfection, GT4 RS solves the gearing issue and of course fantastic motor, am yet to try one but those who have either complain about the ride quality and noise or love it.

My mate had a new 718 Spyder RS on order which I was looking forward to trying, but he had a go in my 600 LT and has since cancelled his Porsche order and is buying a used 600 LT instead, dope should have not let him try it. :D
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There is a bit of engine noise pumped into the cabin from the intake with a hose. I have disconnected the vacuum hose that operates the diaphragm that controls the channeling of air into the cabin, but didn't perceive any difference in engine noise. The GT4/Spyder and GTS 4.0 don't have the electronic sound symposer like the other 718 models. It's allegedly the lack of an X pipe in the back box that prevents the wonderful tones from coming out, but replacement exhaust systems are still stupid money because of the Porsche badge.

I did want to put the GT4 RS on my list but, with its ridiculous cabin volume levels, my tinnitus wouldn't be able to take it. Not sure it would fit up my sloped drive either, even with the front nose lift... I've talked myself out of one quite well!
 
Currently scoping out 911 991.1 or 991.2 Carrera S / GTS on the market. Despite being just a point generation difference, there's obviously some big differences between engines (non-Turbo'd vs Turbo'd). Has anyone recently gone through similar options? What did you end up going with?
 
shiver said:
Currently scoping out 911 991.1 or 991.2 Carrera S / GTS on the market. Despite being just a point generation difference, there's obviously some big differences between engines (non-Turbo'd vs Turbo'd). Has anyone recently gone through similar options? What did you end up going with?
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I've driven both the 991.1 and 991.2, as an all round car the latter is obviously the better car, faster, more economical etc.
But if I was buying one, have to say 991.1 every time, I just found the car more fun and engaging, particular at lower speeds. Also do educate yourself on the Porsche turbo engine issues so if you do buy a 991.2 your fully aware of potential issues but saying that I am not sure if its more of an issue on the 991.2 or 992 turbo motors.

As another option I find the 997.2 cars even more engaging and fun to drive, smaller car, far more engaging due to hydraulic steering and also pretty bomb proof, now of course they are hugely dated in the cabin by comparison, but maybe one to consider, they are also of course done all their depreciation nowadays also.
 
To echo Gibbo’s comments, I think a good 997 would be my go to over a NA 991 (GT3 notwithstanding). I certainly wouldn’t swap my 997.1 for a 991.1.

I am strangely drawn to the 991.2 cars and especially by the potential for Litchfield to add some magic to them.

Not sure how much a set of replacement turbos would be on the 3.0 turbo, but probably a similar sum to a 997 engine rebuild?

In summary I’m sticking with my 997!
 
tom_nieto said:
To echo Gibbo’s comments, I think a good 997 would be my go to over a NA 991 (GT3 notwithstanding). I certainly wouldn’t swap my 997.1 for a 991.1.

I am strangely drawn to the 991.2 cars and especially by the potential for Litchfield to add some magic to them.

Not sure how much a set of replacement turbos would be on the 3.0 turbo, but probably a similar sum to a 997 engine rebuild?

In summary I’m sticking with my 997!
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997.2 is peak Porsche if you ask me, reliable and best driver engagement, especially at legal speeds.
 
991.1 GTS owner for five years. Avoid the later 991.2 3.0 as the turbo issues are real and expensive out of warranty (10k). The 991.1 sounds far better too. Beyond the 997 it’s much more modern and has Bt streaming etc. I prefer the dashboard too. These 2015 cars are peak modern Porsche Carrera imho and super reliable.
 
Can’t beat the 997/987.2 generation perfect size for U.K. roads and the most engaging full of feel modern Porsche, none of this electric steering crap:

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Cayman R - The best Cayman for the road ! :)
 
I started to think I want something small and fun I can use day to day, I was thinking to give the Tesla to my "wife", sell her A3 and get a low price 718, I loved my GT4 back in 2015. I did start looking at 992s but you need high 80's for a good one and I can't justify that with the other car.

£35k I can just about get into a Cayman or Boxter 2.5. I even say a high milage GTS.

I assume the S is worth the premium over the non S?
 
Dr House said:
I started to think I want something small and fun I can use day to day, I was thinking to give the Tesla to my "wife", sell her A3 and get a low price 718, I loved my GT4 back in 2015. I did start looking at 992s but you need high 80's for a good one and I can't justify that with the other car.

£35k I can just about get into a Cayman or Boxter 2.5. I even say a high milage GTS.

I assume the S is worth the premium over the non S?
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I'd definitely drive the turbo cars before opting to buy one. Got to make sure it's your cup of tea.
 
Dr House said:
good point, I should do that
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It makes the choice clear cut.

I drove the 718S and it wasn't for me. It is undeniably a fast car, but it lacked any real drama other than simply how fast it was. If that's what you're after; it could be a great choice! But that's not the ethos of a Porsche, in my eyes.
 
So I'm starting to think about what I might change my 987.1 Cayman S for. Its had a few bits and pieces done, and honestly its superb. However, I have an itch for change.

So you know where i am with the changes:

Brakes - 997 GT3 Brake Master Cylinder, RBF 600 Fluid, Goodridge Braided Lines
Cooling - Low temp thermostat, Centre Radiator, FVD Motorsport Deeper (.6 litre) and X51 style baffled Sump
Noise/"power" - BMC Air Filter, GT3 Throttle Body, IPD Plenum, Dansk Exhaust

Then obviously its exceptionally well maintained. Suspension is absolutely spot on and has been aligned properly not just 'in the green'. Its got a load of great factory options too (Sports Steering Wheel, Sport Short Shift Kit, 16 Way Electric Hardback and heated Sports seats, Bose, PCCM, Bi Xenons, Cruise, Climate, etc).

Where my head is at - 987 R or 981 GTS. Almost certainly PDK as I fancy giving that a go.

Now, Part of me wonders if because I've done a few things to my car, would i really think 'wow this is different' when upgrading to a 987.2 in R spec. Sure, they are very much a car that is more than the sum of its parts, but is it going to feel ~25-30k more 'special' than my current car.

The 981 GTS looks fantastic, but its not got the prestige of such a limited run that the 987 R was.

Interested if anyone has had decent seat time in a 987.1 S and either of those two options and can comment.
 
Conanius said:
So I'm starting to think about what I might change my 987.1 Cayman S for. Its had a few bits and pieces done, and honestly its superb. However, I have an itch for change.

So you know where i am with the changes:

Brakes - 997 GT3 Brake Master Cylinder, RBF 600 Fluid, Goodridge Braided Lines
Cooling - Low temp thermostat, Centre Radiator, FVD Motorsport Deeper (.6 litre) and X51 style baffled Sump
Noise/"power" - BMC Air Filter, GT3 Throttle Body, IPD Plenum, Dansk Exhaust

Then obviously its exceptionally well maintained. Suspension is absolutely spot on and has been aligned properly not just 'in the green'. Its got a load of great factory options too (Sports Steering Wheel, Sport Short Shift Kit, 16 Way Electric Hardback and heated Sports seats, Bose, PCCM, Bi Xenons, Cruise, Climate, etc).

Where my head is at - 987 R or 981 GTS. Almost certainly PDK as I fancy giving that a go.

Now, Part of me wonders if because I've done a few things to my car, would i really think 'wow this is different' when upgrading to a 987.2 in R spec. Sure, they are very much a car that is more than the sum of its parts, but is it going to feel ~25-30k more 'special' than my current car.

The 981 GTS looks fantastic, but its not got the prestige of such a limited run that the 987 R was.

Interested if anyone has had decent seat time in a 987.1 S and either of those two options and can comment.
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I owned a 987R for 7 years and it was my daily for a year of those seven. It's a fantastic car/package but if you want to hear that it's worth 20-30k - absolutely not. That is purely a financial response, however. The real answer: it is absolutely worth the money they demand. It's such an underrated and fantastic car. Go buy one. If you're expecting 20-30k of value, though, you will be disappointed.

My mate has a Lambo that costs twice as much as my 718 GT4 and is it twice the car for twice the money? No way. But I'd have that ******* Lambo in a heartbeat! :D
 
Conanius said:
So I'm starting to think about what I might change my 987.1 Cayman S for. Its had a few bits and pieces done, and honestly its superb. However, I have an itch for change.

So you know where i am with the changes:

Brakes - 997 GT3 Brake Master Cylinder, RBF 600 Fluid, Goodridge Braided Lines
Cooling - Low temp thermostat, Centre Radiator, FVD Motorsport Deeper (.6 litre) and X51 style baffled Sump
Noise/"power" - BMC Air Filter, GT3 Throttle Body, IPD Plenum, Dansk Exhaust

Then obviously its exceptionally well maintained. Suspension is absolutely spot on and has been aligned properly not just 'in the green'. Its got a load of great factory options too (Sports Steering Wheel, Sport Short Shift Kit, 16 Way Electric Hardback and heated Sports seats, Bose, PCCM, Bi Xenons, Cruise, Climate, etc).

Where my head is at - 987 R or 981 GTS. Almost certainly PDK as I fancy giving that a go.

Now, Part of me wonders if because I've done a few things to my car, would i really think 'wow this is different' when upgrading to a 987.2 in R spec. Sure, they are very much a car that is more than the sum of its parts, but is it going to feel ~25-30k more 'special' than my current car.

The 981 GTS looks fantastic, but its not got the prestige of such a limited run that the 987 R was.

Interested if anyone has had decent seat time in a 987.1 S and either of those two options and can comment.
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The R is more than sum of its parts but it’s probably not 20k-30k better than what you have, in experience terms it’s just a side step.

I’m a big fan of 987/997 generation Porsches and think they are peak Porsche when it comes to cars you can enjoy on road. Of course newer 981/991 and later are faster but for me they are not better!

As such why not consider making a bigger change and try to get into a really nice 997.2 Carrera model of some kind ?

Back to the R if your happy with a slight improvement in driving but like the idea of owning a truly speciale and rare car go for the R as they hold their value immensely well so if you buy it well and decide it’s not for you can probably move it on in a year with very little financial hit. Or maybe if you can put up with it try the 987.2 Spyder as it does edge the R as a road car but R is better on track.
 
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