Nurburgring Touristenfahrten Porsche/BMW crash

Rroff · 8 Jul 2025 at 17:21

Resident said:
Porsche clips the kerb and it throws him towards the BMW.

Look at the position of the BMW at the start of the clip, only reason the Porsche got the curb IMO is trying to avoid the BMW coming over. BMW would be nowhere near the Porsche if they'd stayed in the right "lane" but like the corner before took the fast line through the corner.

SDK^ · 8 Jul 2025 at 18:37

Stay to the right unless overtaking - simple

BMW fault all day every day

Dup · 9 Jul 2025 at 11:30

The blame for this accident was ego.

It's a toll road and you're sharing it with all sorts vehicles & strangers you cannot predict. It was a daft place to try and pass. TF is not a race, you can wait till the next clear opportunity to pass and still have as much fun. Only drive as fast as you can see and in this case, assume the car in front has no idea what they're doing. Completely avoidable.

Malt_Vinegar · 9 Jul 2025 at 11:54

The BMW had clearly not see the other car, and was un-aware of it's intentions. It was clear when the BMW squeezed the Porsche at the beginning he was not really aware, and perhaps caution would have been the better approach.

6 of one, half dozen of the other for me.

Poor awareness from both drivers.

fez · 9 Jul 2025 at 12:44

Emlyn_Dewar said:
I do not understand people pinning this one on the BMW at all. There was no indicating to say the car should pass there. And we can make jokes about BMW drivers and using their indicators, but the Porsche put his car there and it all went wrong.
They were not in a motor race. The passing car did not pass on this single lane road safely.

Because people are coming at this from the angle of logic that would be applied normally. The absolute rule at the NR is that you don't overtake unless its safe and the other person has signalled they have clocked you and are allowing the overtake. They didn't signal and there was a horrible crash. You can argue that the BMW should have clocked them and indicated but they didn't and a massive part of driving, even on our slow roads is compensating for others and mitigating risks.

If I drove to the letter of what I should be able to, I would be in many crashes each time I go out. There is a reason this rule is in place on the NR and its to stop exactly this sort of crash happening constantly.

Rroff · 9 Jul 2025 at 13:18

fez said:
The absolute rule at the NR is that you don't overtake unless its safe and the other person has signalled they have clocked you and are allowing the overtake. They didn't signal and there was a horrible crash.

I might be wrong but don't think there is an absolute obligation to signal right before another vehicle can pass just a recommendation of it being best practice, likewise you are advised to signal before overtaking but you don't absolutely have to on the Ring, though under German traffic laws it is expected to signal before and after overtaking.

Definitely a place where a lot of near misses happen like this as it is a fast part of the track and people seem to assume they need the racing line for some reason.

fez · 9 Jul 2025 at 14:23

Rroff said:
I might be wrong but don't think there is an absolute obligation to signal right before another vehicle can pass just a recommendation of it being best practice, likewise you are advised to signal before overtaking but you don't absolutely have to on the Ring, though under German traffic laws it is expected to signal before and after overtaking.

Definitely a place where a lot of near misses happen like this as it is a fast part of the track and people seem to assume they need the racing line for some reason.

That was probably the wrong terminology I used. I assume they won't kick you off if you don't adhere to it but its a fundamental piece of advice so you are safe there. Ignore it at your peril. Its a good bet that someone who hasn't indicated hasn't spotted you.

mushtafa · 15 Jul 2025 at 18:17

It's not worth arguing who's at fault really. Just incredible there wasn't any serious injuries!

Mr Jack · 22 Jul 2025 at 12:11

SonicSW20 said:
The Nurburgring on a tourist day is in effect a two lane one way public road, without lane markers. Tourist days are not track days. If you move from the right to the left, you must check there is nothing to your left, just as you would if you were changing lanes on a motorway. For that reason, the BMW is at least majority if not wholly at fault.

It's a one lane one way public road that just happens to be wide enough for two cars.

I put it about 25:75 BMW

orsche. The BMW damn well should have been looking out for cars approaching from behind and should have noticed the Porsche coming alongside, but the Porsche should not have attempted to pass on the inside of that curve especially since they had seen the BMW move over to the left on the corner before. By putting their car into the expected path of the BMW they were principally responsible for the accident and as the overtaking party they hold the greater responsibility for ensuring they could pass safely although, as usual, a bit of awareness from the other party would have prevented the incident.

(The video in the OP seems to have been taken down. Was it just the same footage as in the Twitter post or is there more?)