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Hamilton to win his 8th title with Ferrari and call it time
Christian Horner sacked!
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Is it though? The dude’s up on sexual harassment charges, the team is failing miserably this year, they’ve lost their star technical team and they might be about to lose their star driver. Horner was roundly booed at the F1-75 celebration showing the general public’s distaste for RB. If anything it’s shocking that he’s lasted this long.
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Maybe but with Newy gone and an unproved power train for 2026 my money is on Max jumping ship.
Well, hasn't every team got an unproven 2026 power train by default?
We're aways told by ex F1 drivers and commentators that for a team the constructors WC is the most important thing. RB have had a single car performing ok for the last what year and half? The second car has been through 5 drivers in the last what 5 years with nobody getting anything signfiicant out of it other than Riccardo and Perez on the very odd occasion. Has the 2nd car spot performed so poorly as a side affect of the team trying to make it drivable for both drivers? (which would indicate they didn't build a team around him already) Or have they simply failed to make a car that anyone can handle except Verstappen ? is that by accident or design?
With all the personel loses the last few years in Aero and design, is it really suprising the car is struggling now? Most of the top teams have gone through a period of dominance but then they can't keep it up.. people move on, replacements aren't as good etc bad decisions made. Bit like a political party. Happened to McLaren, happened to Merc, happened to Ferrari.
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I Wouldn't want to have my brand associated with what seems like an alleged misoyjanistic sex pest.
To sack someone like ( potential the best pit crew boss ever ) this mid season with his track record it must have been pretty serious.
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He should come back with his own team like Brawn did a few years back.
No but when you have teams like Alpine willing to entertain Flavio, there will almost certainly be places available for him to go, sometimes money comes before morals
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Yes good point but who would you want to build your unproved power train ? I know for me it would be Mercedes .
As most people are saying this looks like it's either a last throw of the dice to attempt to keep Max at Redbull or it's as a result of Max signing with Mercedes, guess only time will tell.
I just hope that Ferrari stick with Fred Vasseur.
I just hope that Ferrari stick with Fred Vasseur.
Sponsored by Coco Pops?
Seems odd to fire him now the whole affair/misconduct stuff has blown over.
As has been said, I'm sure some other news will follow. Either he's been up to no good again/there are more allegations, or it's something to do with Max either leaving or only staying if Horner is gone.
As has been said, I'm sure some other news will follow. Either he's been up to no good again/there are more allegations, or it's something to do with Max either leaving or only staying if Horner is gone.
The case goes to a real court in January
Hm, maybe the case isn't looking good for him and lawyers have advised Red Bull that it might be best to get rid of him now.
Is this not a employment tribunal, not an actual court case, that is about how Red Bull has conducted the complaint and the subsequent dismissal of the complainant?
Trial by the public perhaps but Horner himself has twice been acquitted of any allegations so he's not actually on trial.
It's an employment tribunal, yes, but what exactly it is about is currently subject to injunction and we don't know what it is about. I don't see any reason to think that it's based on how Red Bull conducted the complaint rather than Horner's behaviour. But, either way, if the tribunal finds in her favour it doesn't look good for Red Bull having cleared him.
Twice acquitted by opaque internal investigations carried out by people hand-picked by internal management. Meanwhile, publicly available leaks - which have as near as been confirmed as real - confirm that, at absolutely best, he behaved in a completely inappropriate way towards a junior member of staff and cheated on his wife.
It doesn't make terrible much difference, I think. If the tribunal finds against them Red Bull look like they helped cover up his skeezing whether he's still there or not, and I can't see his position gets much less tenable than it already is.
As you stated, it is only assumptions though, so your arguments are also without basis.
Are we going to go through this whole argument with a trial by certain individuals and not by facts yet again?
How employment tribunal work https://www.judiciary.uk/courts-and...ent-tribunal/what-is-the-employment-tribunal/
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Flavio has character. Horner is as boring as Milton Keynes itself. Both good team principles though, from very different eras.
Ron Dennis was far more annoying and cringeworthy than both combined.