Ron obsessed about detail and expected everyone to be the same however he was statistically the most successful f1 team principle ever.
Christian Horner sacked!
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Ferrari need to sign him, I don't know what it will cost, but as they said in Under Siege, it would be worth it.
Ferrari just need to get someone in place that can give the factory some air cover and the last team principal that could do it was Jean Todt. Similarly unloved character, except by those he worked with. For all Horner's faults he seems to have retained the backing of almost everyone at the RB factory which speaks a lot more volume than anything in the media about him the past 18 months.
Ferrari just need to get someone in place that can give the factory some air cover and the last team principal that could do it was Jean Todt. Similarly unloved character, except by those he worked with. For all Horner's faults he seems to have retained the backing of almost everyone at the RB factory which speaks a lot more volume than anything in the media about him the past 18 months.
Ron Dennis is as mid a midwit as Rory Stewart. Used big words to make himself sound smart. Rode Newey and Honda/Ilmor coattails for a long time until he ran out of road with both of them.
I'm not sure why you're in here white-knighting for him either when he was very clearly sacked. RBR were clearly unhappy about him professionally or personally.
You are missing the point, whilst I agree must be reasons for his sacking there hasn't been any statement from anyone as to why this has taken place. Once we know then we can speak from a informed position.
Until we know then it is all just guesswork.
If it is is really about what took place with the accusations, that he has twice been exonerated from, then why wait until now when it is going to completely destabilise the team, it makes no sense.
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Me too. They do (slowly) seem to be getting there.
Was definitely shocked when I read the news earlier. Like most of you it seems this has to be related to Max somehow.
The only other reasons I can think to sack your TP is there is another sex scandal about to hit and they are getting ahead of it but I think the red bull statement is to nicey nicey for that.
The other would be if the decision to make their own power units next year has gone horribly wrong and they are miles off and are about to have to go beg Ferrari or Mercedes for engines next year.
Don't see Horner at Ferrari working. Feels like he would upset to many people and would be booted out pretty quickly.
The only other reasons I can think to sack your TP is there is another sex scandal about to hit and they are getting ahead of it but I think the red bull statement is to nicey nicey for that.
The other would be if the decision to make their own power units next year has gone horribly wrong and they are miles off and are about to have to go beg Ferrari or Mercedes for engines next year.
Don't see Horner at Ferrari working. Feels like he would upset to many people and would be booted out pretty quickly.
Probably because they've become a one car team and not that's not winning either.
All the second drivers shouldn't be so bad compared to their teammate who can win in the same car while they struggle to finish in the points.
Maybe the car built around Max nonsense is true. Maybe years of sim racing has trained his senses to drive a wildly different/disconnected feeling car compared to the traditional sense and he's just the only alien that can drive it.
At the end of the day, points mean prizes and RB will have built themselves around the fact they finish top 3 in the constructors consistently. They lost it last year, this year seems like a wrote off now so they want to get someone in ASAP to fix it before 2026 is the nail on the coffin.
It seems most likely. I don't see how anything can have changed with the sex pest situation to result in a sudden mid-season sacking. There must be something that spurred sudden action, and if it's not Max related then what?
I wonder if we'll ever really find out
How the mighty have fallen - didn't think Red Bull had the stones to do it but finally he's got his just rewards. All of the team in utter turmoil because he couldn't keep it in his pants - I know we jest at Ferrari's tactics but I bloody hope he isn't going there!
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It’s a weird one for me. I can only see it as a tool to get max to stay/appease Jos the boss/marko. But if he stays, you’ve still jeopardised next years car and given the new TP no time to fix the problem… But if this isn’t to keep Max and just some sort of spiteful move for losing Max then that makes no sense either?! Because you’re still shafting next years development.
It’s a strange one that just doesn’t make much sense to me. At least at this point in the season. I guess the decision would’ve been down to the Thai owners/Mark Mateschitz?
It’s a strange one that just doesn’t make much sense to me. At least at this point in the season. I guess the decision would’ve been down to the Thai owners/Mark Mateschitz?
I think it’s less about stones because I doubt they’d have sacked him if they were winning (in both cars)
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It’ll be about Max’s confidence in the 2026 RBR being a competitive car that doesn’t require a ritual sacrifice to balance properly.
I'm the same, and think the same. There can't be any other reason for it, one of the most successful team principles in the past 2 decades, brought a team from the bottom and places them at the top and keeps them there or there abouts, and it's not like they are currently unsuccessful, ok the car seems to only suit max, but how much of that is down to the drivers in the other car are just not that good? Max no doubt is an amazing driver, but it's not like there hasn't been team mates that have beaten him or at least kept pace previously
Max can drive it, and it probably suits his preferred style, but it's still a knifes edge for setup and operating window, at least compared to the McLarens. He'd probably prefer a McLaren/consistency even if it didn't suit his overall preference.
And while recent 2nd seat drivers are undoubtably worse than Max, they're doing better in the VCARB so that says plenty about the car. No way Yuki should be running so far out of the points.
I think if Max has the opportunity to exit RB under the terms of his contract and take Georges seat at Merc, he'll jump and (hopefully) George will have a drive in the RB next year.
I noticed that in the initial press announcement Oliver Mintzlaff, said "he has been instrumental in establishing Red Bull Racing as one of the most successful and attractive teams in Formula 1."
attractive? - as in "cool" or perhaps a potential buyer? After Mateschitz died, there was a lot of talk about whether RB (fizzy drink company) wanted to remain in F1 or to get shot of it.
I noticed that in the initial press announcement Oliver Mintzlaff, said "he has been instrumental in establishing Red Bull Racing as one of the most successful and attractive teams in Formula 1."
attractive? - as in "cool" or perhaps a potential buyer? After Mateschitz died, there was a lot of talk about whether RB (fizzy drink company) wanted to remain in F1 or to get shot of it.
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I feel like all roads lead to Max at RB now, if he goes then they've lost Newey, Horner and Max that's the pillars of pretty much all the success of that team in the last decade (and longer in Newey and Horners case) gone in under 12 months. Surely Max has to be staying and is calling the shots who he wants at management level now.
If not then that team is heading down a very uncertain path that I'm not sure if I was Russell I'd want to be joining at this point.
As for our friend Christian I'll just enjoy not seeing his smug mug on my tele for a few races (and it will be a few races cos he'll be back sooner rather than later).
If not then that team is heading down a very uncertain path that I'm not sure if I was Russell I'd want to be joining at this point.
As for our friend Christian I'll just enjoy not seeing his smug mug on my tele for a few races (and it will be a few races cos he'll be back sooner rather than later).
