From the IT jobs I’ve seen pop up, they would’ve been great back when it was just me in my bachelor pad. Not so much now with a wife, child and a mortgage though. Lol! You’re right though, the money never seemed to be amazing. Despite that they’d have loads of applicants still. (I doubt it’s as glamorous as people think it will be though.)
Christian Horner sacked!
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My Brother worked for RB (not the F1 team) and the levels of stress were very high 
I also had a mate (sadly now passed) who was bezzie mates with Gianpiero Lambiase, and often got some interesting views on stuff from inside the team.
Another mate of mine worked for Williams F1 in their A/V team at Grove for about a decade. They seemed much more laid back than other teams! Back in the 2009/10 period I got to walk around the whole factory with him, and pretty much every door was unlocked, and you could just walk around and look at pretty much anything. This was during a race weekend too.
I also had a mate (sadly now passed) who was bezzie mates with Gianpiero Lambiase, and often got some interesting views on stuff from inside the team. Another mate of mine worked for Williams F1 in their A/V team at Grove for about a decade. They seemed much more laid back than other teams! Back in the 2009/10 period I got to walk around the whole factory with him, and pretty much every door was unlocked, and you could just walk around and look at pretty much anything. This was during a race weekend too.
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Working in a field as 'desirable' as F1 or the games industry is often soul-crushing, because employers know there's so many people knocking on their door to replace you once they've chewed you up.
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I know someone that did truck driving on the European side of things. Absolutely soul destroying were his words and the pay was basically minimum wage once you factored in the hours worked.
Nope, inside. Just a terrible arrangement for the employee. At least the part I was interviewed for. If you are an engineer or scientist it's probably a great path, if you are top of your class and not expendable. But for everyone else...
Lasting 3 years there was good apparently. So you can imagine what the turnover must be like
My 2nd job was for a games developer. But I wouldn't work in the games industry as it is now. It was good when I started in 2005ish, but by 2010 I could see it starting to decay and become corporate. The fun just got sucked out of it and it's reflected in the products.
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It's rare to see many older folk anywhere but senior management in either the games or motorracing industry. Says a bit about them sadly.
Just waiting for more stories to come out about what exactly precipitated this move, we know there was a serious effort to oust Horner last year, this time though it looks like they shot straight.
Just waiting for more stories to come out about what exactly precipitated this move, we know there was a serious effort to oust Horner last year, this time though it looks like they shot straight.
Yep, the games industry wasn't like that back then. But now it's filled with people straight out of uni and not all that talented if I'm honest. You don't see much innovation, just sticking to the text books.
The CEO of the company I worked for (I think he left quite recently) was an older guy who started off in the same team as me. Worked his way all the way up.
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Another thread but this cycle of game development (and industry) is over, we'll have a little interregnum before a new wave of something emerges. In that respect I'm excited, a lot of kids (mine for example) are designing some amazing things in minecraft/roblox. It's similar to the 80s 8 bits and 90s pc dev scene. The only sad caveat is the mods we built then, we owned. Now a globalmegacorp owns what the kids build and can veto anything on a whim.
However hoping distribution lock in can be disrupted and we see some great lo-fi/AA games emerge.
Same thing with motorracing I think too, though we're earlier in the cycle. We're about to hit peak F1 in the next couple years then we'll have the inevitable come down and hopefully something can emerge from that also.
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Nothing will be reported by the UK media. At least not till a certain date is passed
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That bus will come.
@Feek @Malt_Vinegar
I wanted to put more effort in to this, but did what I can with 10 minutes.
The TP is a (love) cheat, who left his wife with a 6 month old baby to shack up with a more famous lady. - affairs happen up and down the grid within all personnel is my bet, its his personal life which really isnt any of our business, we dont know what happens behind closed doors. Stating hes a bad person because of this would mean a large percentage of humans as a whole are bad people to you. Sounds like a prejudice thing on your side more than anything else. Again bet its happened in every team, but not with a TP who is universally hated for being direct and savage in a competition where millions of pounds are on the line.
The TP pressured the race director for a mis-use of the rules in a title championship deciding race to ensure they won, which stopped a record-breaking championship win for globally a well liked driver. - This is biased reading and a half, but even more so, how does a TP control the race director, thats a problem with race director not having thick skin, a spine and more. Nothing to do with CH, he was doing what any TP would be doing, given toto's response to what happened shows he would be doing the same thing if roles reversed, people are naïve if they think otherwise.
Their "Motorsports Advisor" has had some very questionable opinions on race, and faced little to no censure from the team for public comments made. - Is this about CH or Red Bull as this is very confusing. Their motorsports advisor, nice way to say someone who dont matter in day to day operations.
The parent of their lead driver is a convicted violent criminal, and is hosted by the team like an old friend. - again not employed by the company or in day to day operations. But most importantly he went to court, served his time, so why should he not continue with his life? He might be bad tempered, but in a business with millions pounds on the line, stress levels get high and some of us cant manage it as well, not excusing the behaviour at all. But given he has served punishment, what's the deal here? Flavio is back in the grid after race fixing ffs, a much more serious allegation in this sport.
The team breached the budget cap in a winning year, and claimed the actions taken against them (which were relatively minor) as "Draconian", whilst steadfastly refusing to even come close to apologising. - So are you angry with the FIA fine or just Red Bulls comments on it? If you forever look for an apology, you'll forever be disappointed. Plenty of other teams through the years refusing to apologise for things and I bet you are still a fan of them.
Their lead driver assaulting another driver for an on-track incident in the garages after the race - TP claimed the other driver was "lucky to get away with a push" - frustrations in sport, never seen these before? Footballers going in hard? Rugby players having a punch up? Top echelon of the sport and his race was ruined by a car that under blue flags should not have been trying to overtake. Yes his aggression wasnt great but a push is a push, a punch is very different, but he served his penalty for it, hanging it over his head 3 years later sounds really healthy.
Their treatment of "second drivers" in the team is seen as very ruthless, and even dishonest, for example in the case of Webber signing an extension under the agreement he would have equal terms, which was clearly not the case. - Do you have full evidence of equal terms and not equal terms being delivered? If so, go speak to Webber, he might have a court case he could use that for, otherwise this is empty words.
The Team have backed the often overly aggressive driving style of their lead driver regardless of the implications to the sport. - Senna and Schumacher are two of the most aggressive drivers of the sports history, wildly celebrated as GOAT's of the sport, how many times has this been seen in truly great drivers? A lot. So what do you want, passive drivers who are happy to lose and apologise? Guess what, those people dont make it to F1.
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I wanted to put more effort in to this, but did what I can with 10 minutes.
The TP is a (love) cheat, who left his wife with a 6 month old baby to shack up with a more famous lady. - affairs happen up and down the grid within all personnel is my bet, its his personal life which really isnt any of our business, we dont know what happens behind closed doors. Stating hes a bad person because of this would mean a large percentage of humans as a whole are bad people to you. Sounds like a prejudice thing on your side more than anything else. Again bet its happened in every team, but not with a TP who is universally hated for being direct and savage in a competition where millions of pounds are on the line.
The TP pressured the race director for a mis-use of the rules in a title championship deciding race to ensure they won, which stopped a record-breaking championship win for globally a well liked driver. - This is biased reading and a half, but even more so, how does a TP control the race director, thats a problem with race director not having thick skin, a spine and more. Nothing to do with CH, he was doing what any TP would be doing, given toto's response to what happened shows he would be doing the same thing if roles reversed, people are naïve if they think otherwise.
Their "Motorsports Advisor" has had some very questionable opinions on race, and faced little to no censure from the team for public comments made. - Is this about CH or Red Bull as this is very confusing. Their motorsports advisor, nice way to say someone who dont matter in day to day operations.
The parent of their lead driver is a convicted violent criminal, and is hosted by the team like an old friend. - again not employed by the company or in day to day operations. But most importantly he went to court, served his time, so why should he not continue with his life? He might be bad tempered, but in a business with millions pounds on the line, stress levels get high and some of us cant manage it as well, not excusing the behaviour at all. But given he has served punishment, what's the deal here? Flavio is back in the grid after race fixing ffs, a much more serious allegation in this sport.
The team breached the budget cap in a winning year, and claimed the actions taken against them (which were relatively minor) as "Draconian", whilst steadfastly refusing to even come close to apologising. - So are you angry with the FIA fine or just Red Bulls comments on it? If you forever look for an apology, you'll forever be disappointed. Plenty of other teams through the years refusing to apologise for things and I bet you are still a fan of them.
Their lead driver assaulting another driver for an on-track incident in the garages after the race - TP claimed the other driver was "lucky to get away with a push" - frustrations in sport, never seen these before? Footballers going in hard? Rugby players having a punch up? Top echelon of the sport and his race was ruined by a car that under blue flags should not have been trying to overtake. Yes his aggression wasnt great but a push is a push, a punch is very different, but he served his penalty for it, hanging it over his head 3 years later sounds really healthy.
Their treatment of "second drivers" in the team is seen as very ruthless, and even dishonest, for example in the case of Webber signing an extension under the agreement he would have equal terms, which was clearly not the case. - Do you have full evidence of equal terms and not equal terms being delivered? If so, go speak to Webber, he might have a court case he could use that for, otherwise this is empty words.
The Team have backed the often overly aggressive driving style of their lead driver regardless of the implications to the sport. - Senna and Schumacher are two of the most aggressive drivers of the sports history, wildly celebrated as GOAT's of the sport, how many times has this been seen in truly great drivers? A lot. So what do you want, passive drivers who are happy to lose and apologise? Guess what, those people dont make it to F1.
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Tdlr?
@Feek 's slightly less law abiding cousin?
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Nothing of any consequence/new or interesting. Sadly.
In fact, I would go so far as to say it is mostly contradictory and hand wringing
For example, you cannot claim that CH is a massive factor in the success of the team (which we almost universally agree on) without admitting that his direction in running the team is any reflection on his character.
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*Waves*
Nothing to add in this particular thread however!
...looking at the edit, I'll admit I'm mildly surprised that this hasn't happened before at some point.
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