The Trump post thing is cringe but in the minds of most people Superman is ‘as American as apple pie’ - probably stemming from capitalism vs. communism times.
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The Trump post thing is cringe but in the minds of most people Superman is ‘as American as apple pie’ - probably stemming from capitalism vs. communism times.
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Totally American. Born on Krypton and whose parent stuck him in a ship and sent him off you another planet so he could live and have a better longer life.
Perfect illegal immigrant story.
I've read some decent stories, if you have problems with modeen, that's your issue.
Film seems a mixed bag going by the reviews.
Good superman but poor CGI mess.
Good superman but poor CGI mess.
Is Sups not a refugee??
I’m not 100% sure the angle you are going for with this - possibly 100% humour - but generally I place stock in who people are, what they stand for and what they have done, rather than being defined by where they were born.
In the case of Superman, his pop cultural status as American probably has a lot to do with him being from an American comic, living in American and upholding what are seen as traditional American values (justice, liberty) etc., especially during the Cold War era.
Superman’s status as an American icon and the realities of global history probably is no doubt behind the existence of the ‘ironic’ Superman ‘Red Son’ (which asks, what if he landed in Russia instead?).
He entered the the planet/US illegally with no papers
the only problem I have, is when they sell out and ruin something, if they continue the narrative based on the original views/story/character, then fine, but if they try and poison it and make it suit some current 'view' that's 'risque' etc, then I've no interest, as the character/story was never about that, and that's just unoriginal and selling out/attention seeking adapting - for example, if it suddenly became about climate change, unless Superman was always about that, then there's no reason to add it?
Comics are always written to reflect current issues and themes, constantly changing and staying relevant. If they wrote them now like they did in the 40s/50s, people likely wouldn't read them as they can't identify or relate with them.
Was he a criminal? Did he fully take on the country he entered culture?He entered the the planet/US illegally with no papers
What's being a criminal got to do with it?
I can kind of understand the mixed reviews, a Superman film needs to be absolutely top draw for me to give it anything other than a middling rating due to me not really liking Superman himself. I find him all a little too sugary for my tastes, never been a fan of goody two shoes sorts of characters. I like my characters more on the edgy side of things. Cant be doing with characters in shows/movies that are all gee shucks, slappa my thigh, I darent cuss lest ma gives me the nasty frown stare.
No idea why that went all country yokel lol
I wouldn't say that's entirely true, people will know the difference between eras/cultures, and make the decision themselves as to wether X era interests them and it's culture, and immerse themself into said era/culture, just like they do with music, movies, books, art...
Comics are also appealing to those loyal day one fans who have been with them from the start, and the late comers who have gone back and red the original comic, or had it passed down to them from siblings etc.
That's one thing that is gospel with comic book/sci-fi fans, they've red everything from the start, no matter their age/generation, and are quick to slate any change that ruins why they love the character/story - which is completely understandable, because no-one wants that story/character that they've invested literal years of their life in, becoming someone that they're not, otherwise they'd read a different comic with those Y views/story, if that's what they're after, but it isn't, and that's why they've chosen X...
Star Wars/Star Trek, is a perfect example of this, you're mocked and not taken serious if you haven't seen the original movies/series, as is the case with comics/manga/anime.
But yes within reason current affairs/views are allowed and do come into play, but not so much so that it destroys the story or the characters views. Fans are very loyal to the character and their beliefs/views/origins... And quick to moan when it's messed with!
The last thing we want, is people changing stuff to suit the modern 'I'm offended by everything change it' mentality, those Roald Dahl books spring to mind... If you're offended, don't read them!
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I'm inclined to agree. DC has always translated well to animation too; from the 90s batman animated series to the Justice League but ultimately those are a very different target audience even if there is crossover.
Superman and Lois was/is brilliant. Maybe the best live action portrayal that has been done. The whole CW DC universe has been pretty enjoyable, especially with the crossovers, although they lost focus at the end.
Smallville was decent for its era too, especially considering it came out in the early 2000s. I was the right age to journey with Smallville and really enjoy it at the time. Trying to watch it back is hard work though until the final couple of seasons. Crazy to think the new adventures of superman live action tv series is 30 years old now.
Man of Steel was brilliant; but was way to dark, gritty and brooding at peak Marvel when the audience was done with the Nolan style Dark Knight trilogy grit and wanted fun. Batman vs Superman was also a good movie and the controversy around Ben Affleck as Batman became the main detractor although his portrayal was quality. I found Superman Returns with Routh to be really boring although it was a decent portrayal.
Sadly, they have all aged out (now in their 40s and 50s) and too old to reboot under Gunn. Same as Black Adam really, despite the cameo at the end, the cast maybe had 1 more film left before being way too old.
Given The Flash opened the multiverse in the last film, they could have done a multiverse crossover and handed the reigns over from Henry Cavill & Justice League Cast. That would have been a huge ensemble but maybe they have been cautious as Marvel hasn't been able to directly hand off their characters to a new generation successfully at all.
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He's an illegal Alien
Hopefully get to see it next week but fully expecting you typical James Gunn fest.
From the trailers it looks like they gone full throttle from the start. Loads of characters and loads of CGI trying to mask a paper thin story.
I don’t think WB have helped with all the other DC outings in a short space of time.
I pretty much agree with most of this to be honest
BUT I do also like the dark side of Superman, I think that portrail was spot on, just because he's the saviour to humans on planet earth and makes everything great/everyone smile whilst saving the day, doesn't detract from the fact that Krypton was about to be destroyed, and Kal had to be sent somewhere to save his life, and Jor El knew that Earth would be at least suitable for Kal to blend in, being that they look at least similiar, and be able to communicate.
Another side of it is:
Batman/Superman #50 said:
And:
Man of Steel #1 (1986) said:
But yes, I like both dark and light sides of Superman, so I'm not trying to offend you, or come across as arguing, I just believe that both portrails can exist/are allowed, and I'm very open to that
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For me the appeal (… to the extent there is any) of Superman comes from him being a ‘tragic character’.
If you have unlimited energy to save people 24/7… should you? There’s no time left for you… a lonely existence. Every-time you rest people are dying in fires. So you can’t stop.
Then, people blaming him or being angry for ‘not being there’… villains exploiting this for schemes and to torture him… etc.
Plenty of room for edginess with that side of things, but it’s rarely explored in TV / film.
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THIS!
I mean I wouldnt save people 24/7, theres more than a few sorts of people that I wouldnt consider to be worth saving, now Superman, he'd save them, irrespective of what they've done because he's a good guy like that. Me....I'd say no, screw you, you're not someone who deserves to be saved so you can die.
So for example, I'm not going to save a child murderer/rapist or a serial killer etc, I'm going to let them die. Equally, when I defeat a villain, who has killed hundreds of people, I'm not going to grab them and hand them to the authorities, to lock them up and them inevitably then escape to kill hundreds more people in their next villainous scheme. I'm going to kill the villain so that they dont kill hundreds more people. Superman however, he'd still save that rapist/murderer/whatever , because he's Supergoodman
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