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Yeah, it's too expensive now. I just can't justify these prices. NVIDIA is to blame, I might add. They are killing PC gaming with their greed.
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Anyone else simply just had enough?
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AMD were guiltly of this with the 7900XTX though, yoyo'ing between £1100, 980, 929.99, 899, 739.99 and back and forth - it currently is back to £799.99 and upwards.
They also released their own reference card RX 6950XT with only a years warranty, and it wasn't cheap at the time, granted it did eventually go down a fair bit but still, a bit surprising for a reference card to be that harsh on warranty vs the price gamble? I didn't expect that from AMD, I wouldn't be surprised from Nvidia, or a third party random brand, but not direct from AMD...
But I agree Nvidia take things to another level, but we all are well aware and are never surprised, we're all basically numb to it now.
FWIW, if AMD were to catch up with Nvidia, in terms of how good DLSS is versus FSR, then that's all it would take for me to go back to them, but I do believe with games being so poorly optimised now, that DLSS is a must for stretching out the lifespan of your overpriced modern GPU. Without it, you simply hit a wall performance/visuals/longevity wise - and that's not something I'm whiling to put up with at 'that price'! Nor am I whiling to just accept how pants FSR looks in comparison for less money!
FSR4 is as good as DLSS, and it certainly doesn't look pants like FSR3
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Is it? I've yet to try it myself, that sounds very promising then! I was pretty disappointed with with FSR3/3.1, it barely looked any better than FSR2.
Will FSR4 still take forever to get added to games? I notice many games still don't even have FSR3/3.1!
It looks miles better than FSR3,even performance mode looks really good.It's in about 60 games,but you can use a thing called Optiscaler that injects FSR4 into FSR,DLSS or xess,but you just can't use it in online games
FSR4 Compatibility List
OptiScaler bridges upscaling/frame gen across GPUs. Supports DLSS2+/XeSS/FSR2+ inputs, replaces native upscalers, enables FSR3 FG on non-FG titles. Supports Nukem mod for DLSSG-to-FSR3 FG. - optisc...
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Awesome, I did just have a look, and there's around £70 difference from a 5070Ti, which obviously beats the 9070XT with more FPS/frame generation... I can see the argument for both cards to be fair...It looks miles better than FSR3,even performance mode looks really good.It's in about 60 games,but you can use a thing called Optiscaler that injects FSR4 into FSR,DLSS or xess,but you just can't use it in online games
FSR4 Compatibility List
OptiScaler bridges upscaling/frame gen across GPUs. Supports DLSS2+/XeSS/FSR2+ inputs, replaces native upscalers, enables FSR3 FG on non-FG titles. Supports Nukem mod for DLSSG-to-FSR3 FG. - optisc...
Rubbish. For a start PC gaming isn't dying, it's actually growing, both in revenue and numbers. So, since you think Nvidia are the sole company responsible for the state of PC gaming, do you now have to thank Nvidia for the fact that PC gaming is growing?
Yep, and the fact that bar Switch, you can get every console 'exclusive' soon after release or at worse, a year after on PC.... Switch wise, they're so cheap, who cares, for the few games that are exclusive, you can buy the console second hand, finish the games, trade it all in and barely loose anything, or sell it online and not loose anything.
You only have to look at the state of Xbox now, to know that the PC is winning, it will always be THE gaming machine, because it has no limitations, and you can simply upgrade it at your choosing, or dial the settings back as required to keep playing on what you already own
I don't think PC gaming is actually dying. We're still getting more performance at a given price point that we were historically. It's just that hardware is stagnating due to the lack of node shrinks. This will be a recurring issue going forward, as we approach the physical limits of how small they can actually manufacture. However, we shouldn't raise our noses at the great advancements in software. DLSS Quality is basically free performance. Its visual fidelity is even better than native due to the included anti-aliasing. DLSS Balanced and even Performance are also more than usable. Equally so for AMD's new FSR 4 and Intel's XeSS. Technologies like these can breathe tons of new life into otherwise struggling GPUs. The fact your 7-8 year old RTX 2000 series can run the latest DLSS transformer model is incredible. The fact just about any GPU can run FSR 3, though the quality on that is considerably lower, means plenty of people that don't have the means for an upgrade right now have a lifeline to help them.
Framegen is not the same as raw performance, much as nVidia like to pose it as such in their marketing slides, but it, too, can vastly increase the effective lifespan of a GPU. If you can get at least 50-ish FPS, then you can usually hit that framegen and it will be pretty OK on everything but competitive shooters. And it also means you don't have to buy a 90-class card to max out your monitor's refresh rate.
Back in the day raw performance was all you had. The only way to increase that was to drop settings. You didn't have a magic +20% FPS button, let alone a +90% FPS (but with slightly worse latency) button. As soon as you stop pixel peeping for issues and actually play the games, you'll find plenty of cheap GPUs can actually get you a very enjoyable experience thanks to these technologies.
Now, would I have preferred it if instead of this we got the old +50% gen-on-gen performance gains of yesteryear? Of course. But at least we have a silver lining. So we shouldn't rush to be doomers. Remember the 14nm Intel CPU stagnation? We moved past that. We will move past this, too. GPU prices have already dropped significantly and many models are now available at under MSRP. Right now you can pick up a card that will get you a very good experience for a pretty decent price.
Framegen is not the same as raw performance, much as nVidia like to pose it as such in their marketing slides, but it, too, can vastly increase the effective lifespan of a GPU. If you can get at least 50-ish FPS, then you can usually hit that framegen and it will be pretty OK on everything but competitive shooters. And it also means you don't have to buy a 90-class card to max out your monitor's refresh rate.
Back in the day raw performance was all you had. The only way to increase that was to drop settings. You didn't have a magic +20% FPS button, let alone a +90% FPS (but with slightly worse latency) button. As soon as you stop pixel peeping for issues and actually play the games, you'll find plenty of cheap GPUs can actually get you a very enjoyable experience thanks to these technologies.
Now, would I have preferred it if instead of this we got the old +50% gen-on-gen performance gains of yesteryear? Of course. But at least we have a silver lining. So we shouldn't rush to be doomers. Remember the 14nm Intel CPU stagnation? We moved past that. We will move past this, too. GPU prices have already dropped significantly and many models are now available at under MSRP. Right now you can pick up a card that will get you a very good experience for a pretty decent price.
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I think what's dying is the "upgrade" market. Certainly is for me, anyway. It was a hobby but I think for some years now it's become an unjustifiable habit. The gains are so small and the prices so high that it's just not worth it.
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I swear people seem to forget we have never been able to max out proper AAA titles that brought next generation visuals for their time, Far Cry, Crysis, FEAR, FEAR2, are just so easy examples of their time that spring to mind...
Today is no different in relative modern pricing, even if it is a bit more scene tax wise 'because they can', we still will pay it, and they will continue to push games as far as they can, and the hardware will always be playing catch up/bottlenecked for the time of release, bar the odd well optimised game, such as Doom - which never look next gen IMHO compared to others, don't get me wrong, they look very nice, but not next gen, so I'd expect current hardware to be able to achieve decent visuals, where as a massive FPS RPG such as Cyberpunk, well you know that's going to require serious horsepower on release (that won't exist) to get Doom levels of FPS/highest settings.
Today is no different in relative modern pricing, even if it is a bit more scene tax wise 'because they can', we still will pay it, and they will continue to push games as far as they can, and the hardware will always be playing catch up/bottlenecked for the time of release, bar the odd well optimised game, such as Doom - which never look next gen IMHO compared to others, don't get me wrong, they look very nice, but not next gen, so I'd expect current hardware to be able to achieve decent visuals, where as a massive FPS RPG such as Cyberpunk, well you know that's going to require serious horsepower on release (that won't exist) to get Doom levels of FPS/highest settings.
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SOMEBODY didn't have a turbo button on their 486...
It's hilarious so many people don't realise that it was an underclock button...
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I did not, but in my defence I was 7. It was labelled turbo.
I mean, to be fair we could sue them under the trade description act?
Yeah, I've found myself skipping 3-4 generations before upgrading. A decade or two ago that would be more or less impossible, unless your definition of gaming was minesweeper and 3D Space Cadet Pinball.
I plead guilty, your honor.
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Bought the MB, RAM; CPU (Ryzen 2600x at the time) and a rtx 2080 in 2019. Then upgraded to a 5800x3D in 2022 and a rtx 4080 in 2023. Everything plays really well maxed out. GPU went up in price, true, but back in the "good old days" you wouldn't get that much out of a platform (stuff like the MB, PSU, RAM, case, etc., are 6 years old +) and if from a performance POV, it would last at least 2-4 years.
Games aren't that different from a while back. Things got better in terms of visuals, animations, gameplay is more or less the same. Same storries, told differnelty. We won't really see anything new until AI gets a bump in attetion and gamers to ask for it.
Games aren't that different from a while back. Things got better in terms of visuals, animations, gameplay is more or less the same. Same storries, told differnelty. We won't really see anything new until AI gets a bump in attetion and gamers to ask for it.
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You say that like they're cheap
. 4080 laptops, weren't they minimum £2.2K on release?Could buy a desktop 5090 with that
I paid 1750 for a 3 month old legion. Bigger discount from its 2800 retailYou say that like they're cheap
Could buy a desktop 5090 with that