Not necessarily. Like a Civil Case, Police Misconduct "verdicts" are based on balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt.
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Not necessarily. Like a Civil Case, Police Misconduct "verdicts" are based on balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt.
It is crass, stupid and unnecessary. I mean they promoted the guy to inspector after he was found to be innocent in the criminal case.
Oh, I am with you on this. There is no need for it. It smacks of both capitulation by the MET to the family/black community and also to allow them just to cut the officer loose so they don't have to worry about it anymore.
I'll yet again post a reminder that it was the IOPC that directed the MET Police to hold a disciplinary hearing. It isn't a 'capitulation' by the MET Police.
The MET Police however are the ones to hold the hearing and there's a good possibility they will find the threshold for disciplinary action hasn't been met much like the jury quickly concluded the criminal threshold wasn't met.
The differing evidential thresholds 'beyond reasonable doubt' (criminal) and balance of probabilities (disciplinary) aren't nearly as impactive as some may think they would be in these particular proceedings as the core facts aren't in dispute and are quite well documented on video footage etc.
Given he received a promotion shortly after the trial concluded, whilst the IOPC might be directing the Met to hold a hearing, it would seem incredibly unlikely the Met are going to find against him.
A frustrating process but at the end of it all, it'll hopefully be another tick in a box to demonstrate there was no wrongdoing on his behalf.
A frustrating process but at the end of it all, it'll hopefully be another tick in a box to demonstrate there was no wrongdoing on his behalf.
Isn't the latter different in police complaints because of the greater likelihood of a complaint?
It's changed after former Met commissioner Paul Condon gave evidence for it to be changed because he said the former standard (beyond reasonable doubt) prevented him for getting rid of corrupt officers
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Statement from the Met Police:
"“Since NX121 was acquitted, the IOPC has been reconsidering whether he should face misconduct proceedings. We made strong representations that he should not face any further action due to the extensive evidence tried and tested at court and the not guilty verdict returned by the jury.
“We know any fatal use of force by police understandably prompts concern among communities. NX121 made a split-second decision on what he believed was necessary to protect his colleagues and London and a jury unanimously decided that was an honestly-held belief and the force used was reasonable.
“However, the IOPC has now determined that NX121 has a case to answer for his use of force and has directed us to hold a gross misconduct hearing."
news.met.police.uk
Although the IOPC can tell a police force to hold a disciplinary hearing they don't run them. The Met Police would look a bit silly returning an adverse verdict for a hearing they made strong representations against being held in the first place.
"“Since NX121 was acquitted, the IOPC has been reconsidering whether he should face misconduct proceedings. We made strong representations that he should not face any further action due to the extensive evidence tried and tested at court and the not guilty verdict returned by the jury.
“We know any fatal use of force by police understandably prompts concern among communities. NX121 made a split-second decision on what he believed was necessary to protect his colleagues and London and a jury unanimously decided that was an honestly-held belief and the force used was reasonable.
“However, the IOPC has now determined that NX121 has a case to answer for his use of force and has directed us to hold a gross misconduct hearing."
Met directed to hold misconduct hearing for firearms officer NX121
The Independent Office for Police Conduct has directed the Met to hold the hearing
news.met.police.uk
Although the IOPC can tell a police force to hold a disciplinary hearing they don't run them. The Met Police would look a bit silly returning an adverse verdict for a hearing they made strong representations against being held in the first place.
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I really hope common sense prevails here and these 2 lovely, pillars of the community are made an example of:
news.sky.com
www.bbc.co.uk
I remember MPs like Yvette Cooper throwing them under the bus. Who’d want to be a copper?
Police officer left with broken nose after Manchester Airport brawl tells court she was 'absolutely terrified'
PC Lydia Ward says other people in the car park pay area did not help and were just filming on their phones and "shouting stuff".
PC denies losing control in Manchester Airport brawl, trial hears - BBC News
An officer says his actions were justified at the trial of two brothers accused of assaulting police.
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I remember MPs like Yvette Cooper throwing them under the bus. Who’d want to be a copper?
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If they go down, there will be riots, if they don't go down they'll get the same. Their sentence will be entirely political rather than reflect what they did. Then a quiet release of the outcome followed by strict management of any dissent.
I dont think so, the reason it kicked off in the first place is because the press jumped on phone footage of the idiot getting a boot to the face. Now that the CCTV is in circulation, you can see them for what they are.
Politicians should never have got involved the way they did.
Politicians should never have got involved the way they did.
And IMHO that is what is going to happen in the future.
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For me anyone who blatantly assaults a public servant in full uniform be it police, Fire or NHS for no reason deserves to receive the full force of the law and maximum sentence for the offence, assuming found guilty.
It’s despicable in my opinion.
It’s despicable in my opinion.
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100lb women should not be trying to arrest men, for their own safety. Does the police training involve sparring with boxing gloves? If not might be worth introducing it so they at least know what a punch feels like.
Can't turn them down due to equality rules. But yea they are just going to get yeeted when things kick off :/
They won't be able to hold on to or floor an aggressive man.
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Whilst I agree with the sentiment, I'm not sure their gender makes a difference here. Or would it be different for a £100 man?
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Makes a big difference in this situation, the guy was basically fighting them off on his own. A small man is still going to be a lot stronger than a 100lb woman and less easy to damage.
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