Christian Horner sacked!
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Pretty sure the payoff must be decent and whatever maneuver they made to get him was rock solid.
Autosport are reporting a swiss trust acquired a 2% stake in redbull mere days before Horner was sacked. That most certainly isn't a coincidence...
Autosport are reporting a swiss trust acquired a 2% stake in redbull mere days before Horner was sacked. That most certainly isn't a coincidence...
Toto to redbull
Kimi Antonelli seems like such a nice kid. I can’t believe Toto would **** him (and George) over to get MaxI still maintain those two are a better lineup than Max and someone else.
For the constructors maybe, but not for the drivers championship.
If you want the driver's championship, you want Max.
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If Max can win races in the RB car, I expect that he could do the same in the Mercedes.
Yeah, if next years Mercedes is only as good as this years, Max won't be winning every race in it... (If he goes there of course)
He's winning races in the Red Bull because when they get it to work in its incredibly small window, its very fast. The nutters on the Max Verstappen Reddit think that he'd be winning in a Haas right now...
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So they know what not to do?
I think he'll be out for a couple of years before any return. But, yeah, any team that is looking at a new principal will be on the phone to him. The question is whether anyone is willing to give him the kind of role and terms that he is likely to demand, his role at Red Bull was much broader than the principal at most teams and he enjoyed extraordinary freedom to run the organisation for most of his time there, and I don't think he's going to want to come back to a limited role or a role under an interfering upper management.
Red Bull have a combined team points tally of 2208 for the past 3 seasons and were the No 1 team in 2022 and 2023.
Winning almost every single race in 2023 with 19 1st place out of 22.
Having had two drivers who have 8 world championships between them, including the past 4 years.
They are having a bad season this year but that happens in racing. Its amazing they could keep up winning for so long in an extremely competitive sport.
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Or things could stay much the same as they are at the moment with perhaps Kimi turning into the driver Toto thought he would — even better than Max. Kimi could be fighting Lando and Oscar for the next 4 years. Nobody knows how well Max can perform outside of RB. He's demonstrably had the machinations of a whole team working for him - and him only through his whole time in F1. That slipped this year and look what has happened so far.
I also think the bean counters at Mercedes corporate wouldn’t be best pleased with the way he handles himself. It’s one thing driving for a fun anarchic hateable soft drinks company, but being the most visible person for one of the most well regarded and respected car manufacturers is a different story.
You also don’t want him going to any other team.
Newey was with them for all those championships though. David Coulthard persuaded Horner to get Newey, so you could say Coulthard was responsible for all those championships.
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The Newey designed cars were a huge factor in those WCCs and WDCs, so you could indeed say that DC bringing Newey into RBR was responsible for their achievements.
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I would argue, quite strongly, at what cost has that come at?
A toxic environment to some extent , troubled personal life, a team which is at risk at going in to a big downward spiral, fragmented, broken management and culture.
Zak brown, Toto and James Vowels are the people I would be looking at for sustainable & healthy success.
Different ways to be successful, I made my decision 8 years ago, obviously no where near that level but my point is still valid.
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Newey left RB over a year ago in reality and McLaren even then only scraped the constructors. People are there to be beaten though and maybe genuinely McLaren have the best heads in the business now. Truth will be told when the new regulations come out.