water surge pricing

[jaybee]

Dang. I may have to reschedule the bi annual car wash. How will I cope.

 

[DJMK4]

My local water firm is "not for profit"



but we want to increase your direct debit, becauses, well .... We want your profit...I mean...we want profit....i mean we dont want your profit, but we want profit....


Company slogan

"Water, because profit...is like clear liquid...the more liquid there is not...the more profit...we will have, because profit...is not for us..but it is for you...and us.... or its just for us.....not for you "

 

[Nasher]

People voted to privatise our utilities. Thatcher’s chickens coming home to roost.

If she hadn't, Blair would have. Another one who liked to sell things off and not give a ****.

My local water firm is "not for profit"



but we want to increase your direct debit, becauses, well .... We want your profit...I mean...we want profit....i mean we dont want your profit, but we want profit....


Company slogan

"Water, because profit...is like clear liquid...the more liquid there is not...the more profit...we will have, because profit...is not for us..but it is for you...and us.... or its just for us.....not for you "

What they mean is no profit left after the forign owners skim the lot. Sounds a bit like some charities where hardly anything actually goes to charity.

 

[DJMK4]

If she hadn't, Blair would have. Another one who liked to sell things off and not give a ****.



No profit left after the forign owners skim the lot.

You could always bottle the tap water and sell it for £1 a bottle.

That should pay for your water rates

 

[Nasher]

You could always bottle the tap water and sell it for £1 a bottle.

That should pay for your water rates

Coke cola already tried that...

 

[Haggisman]

I use a snowfoam cannon


1) first stage is a pressure washer rinse

2) second stage is a pressure washer with snow foam cannon - cover the car with snowfoam, this dwells when you leave it for 10 mins, and releases all trapped grit

3) rinse off with pressure washer


this allows you then to start with the 2 bucket method


Otherwise the alternative is filling about 4 buckets and then chucking that over the car ,then using mits with more buckets



Otherwise your using a mit to basically rub all the grit in to your car bodywork, risking microscratching to the paint work

Something like this maybe?

Auto Finesse Snow Foam Pump Pressure Sprayer for Automotive Car & Motorbike Cleaning | 2L Hand Pressure Snow Foam Lance | Adjustable Nozzle | British Brand for Car Detailing : Amazon.co.uk: Automotive

Auto Finesse Snow Foam Pump Pressure Sprayer for Automotive Car & Motorbike Cleaning | 2L Hand Pressure Snow Foam Lance | Adjustable Nozzle | British Brand for Car Detailing : Amazon.co.uk: Automotive

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Granted a lot more faff than doing it the pressure washer!

 

[ttaskmaster]

If it was actually an issue the water would run out then I could in theory understand it.

Doesn't matter how much water you have, it's about the cost of processing it to acceptable drinking quality.

personally i am fine with surge pricing BUT with the v important small print that there needs to be a daily allowance which is charged at a lower rate that way everyone gets the water they need, and then people can choose when or if they really need to wash their car or fill their paddling pool, water their lawn or what ever.

That's already in place - Basic rate up to X litres per day, lower rate for those using less, and a surge rate for those using excessive amounts. Exact figures vary between areas.

too many times i see areas where people are being moaned at to be respectful of their water use, but then with constant leaks and what not due to our shoddy infrastucture.. but we are where we are and people need to be able to drink and wash themselves, imo that is not too much to expect.

It's not too much to expect construction companies to listen to what they're told and not impact the water systems, yet water companies have entire departments that do nothing but deal with the various ****-ups from such industries - It's not just one department either, but several different ones for each category of ****-up: Mains strikes, buildovers, misconnections, construction standards, third party damage...

People voted to privatise our utilities. Thatcher’s chickens coming home to roost.

People allowed the previous governments to screw up the water to the point where privatisation was the only option.

 

[DJMK4]

Something like this maybe?

Auto Finesse Snow Foam Pump Pressure Sprayer for Automotive Car & Motorbike Cleaning | 2L Hand Pressure Snow Foam Lance | Adjustable Nozzle | British Brand for Car Detailing : Amazon.co.uk: Automotive

Auto Finesse Snow Foam Pump Pressure Sprayer for Automotive Car & Motorbike Cleaning | 2L Hand Pressure Snow Foam Lance | Adjustable Nozzle | British Brand for Car Detailing : Amazon.co.uk: Automotive

amzn.eu

Granted a lot more faff than doing it the pressure washer!

I was thinkin about one of these, but again the bottled ones dont really have much effect.

They spray on, but you would still need to pressure wash rince it, or use a non pressure washer garden hose to do a decent job of it before the bucket method


Plus it takes many pumps and also many containers full of water to cover the car properly

 

[Semple]

Interesting - I'm all for surge/demand led pricing on "optional" things like electricity use (to a point), internet, taxis etc. but financially restricting access to water just seems a bit too dystopian for my liking.

For "luxuries", e.g. pools/washing the car etc. then fine, but the baseline amount would need to be set to a realistic level (with plenty of buffer) to allow people to drink/cook/maintain personal hygiene without needing to worry about their bills.

I've already drunk 3 litres of water today, and that's just sitting around in the house trying to keep cool, for someone who is needing to work outside for example, that's going to be significantly higher.

My concern would be people trying to reduce their bills by not drinking enough, causing health issues and ultimately additional strain on the NHS

Frankly I'm all for this.

The ultimate truth is that as a country we've neglected investment in our water infrastructure, and now we're entering a phase where huge investment is needed going forward. Many governments have failed to hold utility companies to account in securing investment for future infrastructure, so there's little point in getting the pitchforks out and demanding CEOs resign - that ship has long sailed.

Instead, similarly to electricity we should be encouraging people to move towards more renewable sources, and heavily charging those that want to use things in excess.

IIRC the average household should be using around 200 litres per person per day? It would be easy with smart metering to offer that amount up per person as a base price, and then as usage scales so does the pricing. Obviously exceptions can still be made for medical needs etc.

 

[Richie]

What they mean is no profit left after the forign owners skim the lot. Sounds a bit like some charities where hardly anything actually goes to charity.

Welsh water is not foreign owned though

 

[Haggisman]

IIRC the average household should be using around 200 litres per person per day? It would be easy with smart metering to offer that amount up per person as a base price, and then as usage scales so does the pricing. Obviously exceptions can still be made for medical needs etc.

200l/person/day seems a huge amount?!

Just checked our bill and we're average 420L per day for a family of 4, that includes filling a 3m pool, washing the car monthly, and a washing machine which seems to be on permanently (kids seem unable to keep their clothes free of food for more than an hour...)

 

[danlightbulb]

The UK average is around 140 litres per person per day.

There is national variability, and on average metered customers use less than non-metered customers.

The government target is 110 litres per person per day by 2050.

DiscoverWater.co.uk

Find out how water companies in England & Wales are performing

www.discoverwater.co.uk

 

[StriderX]

The UK average is around 140 litres per person per day.

There is national variability, and on average metered customers use less than non-metered customers.

The government target is 110 litres per person per day by 2050.

DiscoverWater.co.uk

Find out how water companies in England & Wales are performing

www.discoverwater.co.uk

A ludicrous target when the likes of golf courses suck water like nothing for barely any economic benefit. This addiction to punishing everyone for the government's own derelict responsibilities is truly tiresome.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Doesn't matter how much water you have, it's about the cost of processing it to acceptable drinking quality.

None here as its pumped straight out of the chalk but bills still going up by £200 on average due to "infrastructure improvements".

 

[bigmike20vt]

The UK average is around 140 litres per person per day.

There is national variability, and on average metered customers use less than non-metered customers.

The government target is 110 litres per person per day by 2050.

DiscoverWater.co.uk

Find out how water companies in England & Wales are performing

www.discoverwater.co.uk

that doesnt seem feasible. Admittedly i did fill the lads paddling pool 3 weeks ago but aside from that, we all shower, not baths in the summer (the lad has the odd one in winter), and whilst it is true the mrs does spend longer in there than me and my lad combined i cant believe she is that slow... and yet between the 3 of us we use 460l per day on average over the last month. edit just checked it is 460 with the app moaning my usage in the last month is up 30% - that will be the paddling pool).. Also thinking about it that is with me showering twice a week using the water at the leisure centre as well after swimming

Also including (much to the annoyance of the wife) using the old adage if its yellow let it mellow, if its brown flush it down. (though it does get a flush before bed or if we have guests)

 

[Semple]

A ludicrous target when the likes of golf courses suck water like nothing for barely any economic benefit. This addiction to punishing everyone for the government's own derelict responsibilities is truly tiresome.

I don't think you'll find many arguments defending the previous 20-30 years of government for failing to prepare for the future. We are where we are now, and carrying on as we have been for the last X years is no longer an option.

 

[Haggisman]

The UK average is around 140 litres per person per day.

That seems slightly more realistic, although I still would have put us at "above average", so it does make me wonder what people are using so much water for?! (unless it's a case of a few extremely heavy users hugely bringing up the average)

 

[danlightbulb]

that doesnt seem feasible

A shower can use anywhere between 8-15 litres a minute. So a 5 minute shower, there is say 50 litres. A 10 minute shower, 100 litres.

A few toilet flushes per person per day and there is another 30 litres.

Then you have cooking, running the tap for whatever purpose, washing up or getting a drink. Washing machine a few times a week.

 

[bigmike20vt]

A shower can use anywhere between 8-15 litres a minute. So a 5 minute shower, there is say 50 litres. A 10 minute shower, 100 litres.

A few toilet flushes per person per day and there is another 30 litres.

Then you have cooking, running the tap for whatever purpose, washing up or getting a drink. Washing machine a few times a week.

that is what i meant.. getting down to 110l per person per day seems unlikely.... unless we go back to our grand parents generation where they had 1 bath a week or something. i think my wife would threaten a divorce if i suggested she should not shower daily (esp in the summer months where water is most precious)

 

[Nasher]

that is what i meant.. getting down to 110l per person per day seems unlikely.... unless we go back to our grand parents generation where they had 1 bath a week or something. i think my wife would threaten a divorce if i suggested she should not shower daily

The solution is... shower at work