Christian Horner sacked!

[BuffetSlayer]

I read somewhere that CH could join Ferrari in a CEO position in 2026 with Fred remaining as TP.

I guess it's all speculation until it isn't! RBR's loss will most likely be someone's gain, though.

Well, pending the misconduct case and whether it is proven CH was being a sex pest. I'm still not convinced - it feels a little contrived and a bit too convenient. I guess time will tell, but for sure CH's stock will plummet if he is found guilty of wrong doing.

 

[Scam]

I read somewhere that CH could join Ferrari in a CEO position in 2026 with Fred remaining as TP.

Doesn’t make sense. If they’re not happy with Fred as TP then he’ll be replaced. Why bring Horner into the mix if they’re not getting rid of Fred.

And I don’t think Ferrari as a brand would touch CH until he’s is 100% cleared of all wrongdoing. Which if we know how these things go — rightly or wrongly will probably never happen.

Plus I doubt Lewis would want to work with him.

 

[t2na]

I read somewhere that CH could join Ferrari in a CEO position in 2026 with Fred remaining as TP.

If that happens it's essentially writing on the wall for Fred.

Going back a little here and to a different sport - but it would be a bit like when Chelsea brought in Avram Grant as 'technical football director' to sit above Mourinho - only for Mourinho to be sacked a month or so later and Grant became manager.

 

[Mr Jack]

Plus I doubt Lewis would want to work with him.

I think people overestimate the amount of bad blood between the personalities in the sport. Lewis will recognise that Horner fought Max's corner tooth and nail and respect that is part of the game.

But I don't see Ferrari and Horner agreeing on terms. Like Newey, he will demand far more control than Ferrari will be willing to give.

 

[cuke2u]

I read somewhere that CH could join Ferrari in a CEO position in 2026 with Fred remaining as TP.

I guess it's all speculation until it isn't! RBR's loss will most likely be someone's gain, though.

Well, pending the misconduct case and whether it is proven CH was being a sex pest. I'm still not convinced - it feels a little contrived and a bit too convenient. I guess time will tell, but for sure CH's stock will plummet if he is found guilty of wrong doing.

As far as I understand there is no misconduct case, in January a employment tribunal will be deciding if Red Bull conducted themselves correctly under the employment laws. Horner is not on trial and this tribunal cannot hear any evidence that could be construed to be against Horner's character.
Horner himself probably doesn't even need to attend,

What might follow is another employment tribunal, or even a full court case, from Horner for unfair dismissal. Again any evidence regarding the historical complaint against Horner will not be permitted to be heard.

 

[t2na]

As far as I understand there is no misconduct case, in January a employment tribunal will be deciding if Red Bull conducted themselves correctly under the employment laws. Horner is not on trial and this tribunal cannot hear any evidence that could be construed to be against Horner's character.
Horner himself probably doesn't even need to attend,

What might follow is another employment tribunal, or even a full court case, from Horner for unfair dismissal. Again any evidence regarding the historical complaint against Horner will not be permitted to be heard.

What also might follow is if the employment tribunal decides that Red Bull made an error with how they handled the case internally then they'd have to re-review the original internal case of misconduct - so he's not quite of the woods yet for being an irrationally horny Horner at the workplace.

 

[Scam]

I think people overestimate the amount of bad blood between the personalities in the sport. Lewis will recognise that Horner fought Max's corner tooth and nail and respect that is part of the game.

Oh I don’t doubt it’s overplayed by the media/punters etc. but I doubt think that Horner is just the polar opposite of Hamilton and the way he would want the team to conduct itself. Plus Lewis goes way back with Fred.

 

[cuke2u]

What also might follow is if the employment tribunal decides that Red Bull made an error with how they handled the case internally then they'd have to re-review the original internal case of misconduct - so he's not quite of the woods yet for being an irrationally horny Horner at the workplace.

Do you write headlines for the Sun?
Whilst they might find an infringement on the procedural part in the manner Red Bull has conducted the complaint and the subsequent dismissal of it the same complaint the issue is that Horner himself has been acquitted of any misdemeanour's by two independent investigations conducted by different Kings Council lawyers, well above in status of anyone on a employment tribunal.
I'm not sure if the judicial hierarchy will usually permit any contradiction of their judgement to take place.

We shall see if it actually happens, it is usually the case that such tribunals are held in public but as, from what I understand, as both Red Bull and the complainant do appear to be willing to seek a resolution, it might never happen and we might never know.

 

[t2na]

Do you write headlines for the Sun?
Whilst they might find an infringement on the procedural part in the manner Red Bull has conducted the complaint and the subsequent dismissal of it the same complaint the issue is that Horner himself has been acquitted of any misdemeanour's by two independent investigations conducted by different Kings Council lawyers, well above in status of anyone on a employment tribunal.
I'm not sure if the judicial hierarchy will usually permit any contradiction of their judgement to take place.

We shall see if it actually happens, it is usually the case that such tribunals are held in public but as, from what I understand, as both Red Bull and the complainant do appear to be willing to seek a resolution, it might never happen and we might never know.

I'm not overly fussed by it being held in public etc. and everything related to Horner largely bores me at this point - but I still find it pretty incredible that he, as the most senior individual at the Milton Keynes location, had an affair with his PA and continued as if things were hunky-dory.

Regardless of the accusations and complaints, it takes a mighty **** person to not only cheat on your first wife whilst she's pregnant with your child - but to then cheat on your second wife who you have a child with just makes the skin crawl a little.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

I think people overestimate the amount of bad blood between the personalities in the sport. Lewis will recognise that Horner fought Max's corner tooth and nail and respect that is part of the game.

But I don't see Ferrari and Horner agreeing on terms. Like Newey, he will demand far more control than Ferrari will be willing to give.

That’s the key thing to remember about Ferrari : no-one is bigger than the Ferrari brand.

 

[Mr Jack]

What might follow is another employment tribunal, or even a full court case, from Horner for unfair dismissal. Again any evidence regarding the historical complaint against Horner will not be permitted to be heard.

Extremely unlikely. Horny Horner's Handiness didn't come in the reasons for his dismissal so its totally unrelated, and the negotiation of his exit payout will include agreeing to leave and remove any chance of challenging it later.

 

[cuke2u]

Extremely unlikely. Horny Horner's Handiness didn't come in the reasons for his dismissal so its totally unrelated, and the negotiation of his exit payout will include agreeing to leave and remove any chance of challenging it later.

You are supposing that Horner is willing to negotiate the terms of his instant sacking which in itself could easily be a breach of contract, certainly, if Horner is able to negotiate, that could also be used as a bargaining point in any severance negotiations as well.
But it's all hypothetical anway as we all know very little and might never as these negotiations are not made public.
I await a book though...

 

[Mr Jack]

You are supposing that Horner is willing to negotiate the terms of his instant sacking which in itself could easily be a breach of contract, certainly, if Horner is able to negotiate, that could also be used as a bargaining point in any severance negotiations as well.

Highly unlikely, especially as he hasn't actually been sacked - he is still working for Red Bull just not as TP and CEO. But, in any case, these roles are almost always ones that serve at the pleasure of the board. They get a massive payout if they're removed in return.

But it's all hypothetical anway as we all know very little and might never as these negotiations are not made public.
I await a book though...

True, but we do know that - for instance - his lawyers are currently negotiating the terms of his exit and that he's made no public statement suggesting that he intends to challenge his removal or believes he has any grounds for doing so. So we are in a position to make some judgements on the likelihood of certain events.

 

[cuke2u]

Highly unlikely, especially as he hasn't actually been sacked - he is still working for Red Bull just not as TP and CEO. But, in any case, these roles are almost always ones that serve at the pleasure of the board. They get a massive payout if they're removed in return.

That wiill be the usual gardening leave just under a different name. However CH has been sacked from his role as TP and CEO and not even a demotion. He'll be either making the tea or 'working' from home to ensure he has no contact that could be used to advantage another team.

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[Bald-Eagle22]

Nico sums it up in my book , along with Villenuve he's the only one who isn't afraid call it as it is . Summer breaks coming up so I'm sure we will know more over the coming months.

 

[GravyMonster]

I'm really not a fan of Rosberg, but to give him his due he really doesn't give a f when giving an opinion, or asking a question. I guess that's the benefit of not being a journalist and needing to keep your accreditations.

 

[Scam]

I guess he also knows Jos can’t lamp him live on TV

 

[[timko]]

I'm really not a fan of Rosberg, but to give him his due he really doesn't give a f when giving an opinion, or asking a question. I guess that's the benefit of not being a journalist and needing to keep your accreditations.

Remember when Rosberg was commentating for Sky UK during that race when Max was told by his race engineer Gianpiero Lambiase to let George through and then Max deliberately turned in on him as he was "letting him through"? Rosberg called out almost imediately that Max should get the black flag. I might be on the fence for that comment but I give Rosberg the thumbs up for being more direct about the situation than whoever else was commentating for Sky UK that weekend.

 

[jonneymendoza]

I guess he also knows Jos can’t lamp him live on TV

Roseberg would smack him more like.lol

 

[Scam]

Remember when Rosberg was commentating for Sky UK during that race when Max was told by his race engineer Gianpiero Lambiase to let George through and then Max deliberately turned in on him as he was "letting him through"? Rosberg called out almost imediately that Max should get the black flag. I might be on the fence for that comment but I give Rosberg the thumbs up for being more direct about the situation than whoever else was commentating for Sky UK that weekend.

No need to be on the fence mate the world and his dog knew he did it deliberately But it was Rosberg's immediate reading of the situation/punishment that was spot on. I have a memory like a sieve so I'm probably wrong, but he does generally seem on the money with his opinions. It's just he takes himself so damn seriously and is just so.. what's the word... annoying