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Because the toilets in new builds are easily blocked.

Haha I've noticed that as well. Are they using pipes which are too narrow or is it not enough water being used to flush with. Or the one which can't be fixed... to many houses on the same sewer line as a cost cutting measure. The one in my house would probably swollow up a cat.
 
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Why are new houses built with three or more bathrooms?

I am not sure how that means any great increase on water usage though.... Its the same amount of people using the same amount of water, just "less" per bathroom.

Of course, I am probably missing something.
 
Haha I've noticed that as well. Are they using pipes which are too narrow or is it not enough water being used to flush with. Or the one which can't be fixed... to many houses on the same sewer line as a cost cutting measure. The one in my house would probably swollow up a cat.

In Victorian properties I never had a block toilet from a number two, . In new builds somehow it gets block. Also new builds are too hot in the summer we have to run the air conditioning always.
We had a rako system controlling lights, our curtains etc.. but now I prefer a none tech home. Now I prefer to stay away tech homes and go old school.
 
In Victorian properties I never had a block toilet from a number two, . In new builds somehow it gets block. Also new builds are too hot in the summer we have to run the air conditioning always.
We had a rako system controlling lights, our curtains etc.. but now I prefer a none tech home. Now I prefer to stay away tech homes and go old school.

Yep, over-insulated and not enough ventilation so like an oven in summer. Usually small windows as well. As a result mould and damp build-up in places you can't see is also common on new builds. Just overall not very well designed/constructed as they are made to a budget and as quickly as possible.

I much prefer old houses. Much better sized plot and more interesting. New homes are an absolute rip-off tbh, not nearly worth the price they ask.

The people I know involved in the current wave of housing construction all say stay away from new builds.
 
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Yep, over-insulated and not enough ventilation so like an oven in summer. Usually small windows as well. Mould and damp build-up in places you can't see is also common on new builds. Just overall not very well designed/constructed as they are made to a budget and as quickly as possible.

I much prefer old houses. Much better sized plot and more interesting. New homes are an absolute rip-off tbh, not nearly worth the price they ask.

The people I know involved in the current wave of housing construction all say stay away from new builds.

There is little air flow in these new builds, I really hate them now.
 
And because they don't want to bother treating it, because it costs them money.
There's no problem treating the sewage itself. If there's more sewage to treat, it costs the customer more money. The issue is that it's more than just sewage...
In truth, if it were just raw sewage, that would work in the companies' favour as they can use that for power generation and make even more money. The problem is that the discharges are full of fat, grease, nappies and other stuff that shouldn't be there in the first place. THIS is what blocks the sewers and results in the overspill into rivers.

Why do you think "Bin it, don't block it" became the slogan written on all TW's vans?

We know they have been doing it illegally for the past 30 years, since it was privatised.
Not quite. The 1991 and 1994 regulations came into effect after privatisation, and long after most of the infrastructure systems were implemented in the 1950s.
Rules and standards have changed further since, but it remains legal under certain circumstances.

The public should be allowed to sue the ones responsible (companies and individuals). If that bankrupts them, too bad. They should be made an example of.
And companies should be allowed to prosecute people who abuse the network.

Because of a handful of greedy ***** I think there is a single river left in the UK which is actually safe to swim in, and now they want us to pay extra for what they should have been doing since the start.
And what do you think it is they should have been doing, exactly?

What water companies should have been doing is increasing bills every time someone blocks the public sewer, which is what causes these discharges. That and fining, naming and shaming the commerecial properties that are dumping their waste into the system - You'd have far fewer local takeaway restaurants, but the waterways would be far cleaner.

Perhaps but i thought (and perhaps i am mistaken, if i am feel free to correct me) that it was only meant to happen in a rare emergency OR when there was massive flooding issues, and in that case not only is it a lesser of 2 evils scenario, the logic is it would be so dilute anyway in that case as to be less of an issue.
That's how it was designed to happen, yes. Typically outfalls are designed to a 1-in-10 scenario, meaning blockages bad enough to trigger an outfall should only happen once in 10 years.
However, that relies on people only putting things down the sewer that they're supposed to. It was never intended to handle large volumes of nappies, condoms, sanitary towels, wet wipes, fat, grease, cement powder, food wrappers, or any of the other stupid things people put down there.

Are you suggesting (and its possible given the quality of our media) that all the reports of massive increases in the amounts of dumping of raw sewage is a lie and its no better or no worse than it was a decade ago?
The amounts of monitoring and reporting have increased, while the permissible levels have been reduced. So statistically it can be spun that way, but the actual volumes of discharge haven't increased by any notable amount.
Instead of discharging (for example) 1000 litres a year and being at 90% of permitted levels, they're now discharging 1002 litres a year and are at 500% of permitted levels. It appears worse because the goalposts have moved.

(iirc 1 excuse being that since brexit it is harder to get the chemicals needed to safely treat the water, which a quick look on fullfact does appear to carry some weight (i have not read in depth due to me meant to be working ;) )
That is a factor, especially with anything coming from Germany as they seem reluctant to ship anything to the UK.
IMO, though, the bigger issue is the frequency of sewers blocking. My crews clear almost 200 blockages every day, and the screen-cleaners go out every two hours to do a job that only used to be needed maybe once every few days. Most of this is down to people dumping stuff down drains and into waterways that then end up being trapped in the screens at the treatment works inlets.
 
Are you suggesting (and its possible given the quality of our media) that all the reports of massive increases in the amounts of dumping of raw sewage is a lie and its no better or no worse than it was a decade ago?

Water quality is demonstrably better all that changed is a massive increase in monitoring
 
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Aside from the global concerns about climate change and environmental degradation....

The claims about 'water issues' in this country are largely nonsence....

In 2013 Richard Benyon then Minister for Natural Environment and Fisheries wrote A letter to the CEO's of all water companies in the UK.... (any emphasis mine)




CSO's are there by design. The MP instructed the water companies to massively increase the monitoring of CSO's and so guess what happened?

The amount of *recorded* incidents of their use skyrocketed. This was presented to the public as 'evidence' that the water companies were dumping much more untreated sewerage when in fact it was actually a reflection mostly of increased recording of CSO's working as intended (they operate automatically when the combined sewers systems common both in the UK and abroad are being overwhelmed).

The alternative would be for what's in the pipes to back up into businesses and peoples homes!

This change lead to the numbers massively changing over a couple of years which led to people creating all sorts of scary graphs suggesting that water pollution had become well over an order of magnitude worse over a couple of years when in fact it was the monitoring that had massively changed.

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When you actually look at the data from the 'other side', where records have been made of major of significant pollution incidents that result from spills the whole narrative disappears!



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There has been a general downtrend in such incidents both 'major' and 'significant'

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And beyond CSO's the standards for bathing water in the UK had became much more stringent by 2015 and it was noted at the time that this would likely lead to a 'drop in the headline compliance figure' but that this would not necessarily mean that water quality had actually become worse!




Of course this was largely ignored and we were subjected to headlines telling us that far fewer bathing spots were getting good marks whilst largely glossing over that this could be because the testing regime had changed and become more stringent!
 
How does that explain the increased Clostridioides Difficile rates that appear to start rising almost exactly as the improved data gathering began?
 
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I would suggest a lot of the nonsence printed about water quality in the Uk in the past 15 or so years has been rather politically motivated...

As maybe shown by the fact that the Guardian waited a few months after the last general election to release an article confirming that actually UK water quality isn't quite as bad as you may have been led to believe.

 
Why are new houses built with three or more bathrooms?
And no grey water system? So many things should be in the regs for all
New builds and subsidised for retrofitting to existing housing stock as they would benefit us all no toilet in a new build house should be flushed with drinking water it’s bonkers!
 
How does that explain the increased Clostridioides Difficile rates that appear to start rising almost exactly as the improved data gathering began?
In the same way countries with either a higher socioeconomic index and/or higher antibiotic use also show markedly higher C.Diff infections.... basically many possible causes, some of which are interlinked, but none of which point directly and solely to the water industry beyond the already-established difficulties in eliminating it from either supply or waste processes.
 
Yep, over-insulated and not enough ventilation so like an oven in summer. Usually small windows as well. As a result mould and damp build-up in places you can't see is also common on new builds. Just overall not very well designed/constructed as they are made to a budget and as quickly as possible.

I much prefer old houses. Much better sized plot and more interesting. New homes are an absolute rip-off tbh, not nearly worth the price they ask.

The people I know involved in the current wave of housing construction all say stay away from new builds.
I'm afraid you haven't got a clue what your talking about. Fine saying that about "most" mass developers.

My first development has come in the top 20 national awards from LABC. Frankly I've made F/A money due to inflation & interest rates.
Plus the stress has been that bad I've had a complete mental breakdown. Not just I need a few days, As in I can't even function, bar having to do work, but becouse I'm self employed & their is no one to pick it up I had to do it.
The houses I've built are bloody good. I have the scars to prove it!
As you can guess, it really, really boils my blood when an industry is casually lumped into one.
 
but water consumption in the UK is spiralling. Thr average household uses 70% more than they did in the mid 80’s and most of us have no idea how much we use because a flat rate doesn’t encourage any understanding or responsibility for excessive consumption.

It's because the attitude to hygiene has changed in the UK. We are copying the Americans, who traditionally are more obsessive in this area. Back in the 1980s two showers/baths a week was seen as very respectable. I remember being lectured by my grandmother (who was born in 1917) back then about how you only need to have water up to your ankle in a bath to have a proper bath and any more was a waste. But nowadays, most people shower once a day. Also, washing your car back then was something you did only when it was obviously dirty, not something you feel obliged to do once a week!
 
It's because the attitude to hygiene has changed in the UK. We are copying the Americans, who traditionally are more obsessive in this area. Back in the 1980s two showers/baths a week was seen as very respectable. I remember being lectured by my grandmother (who was born in 1917) back then about how you only need to have water up to your ankle in a bath to have a proper bath and any more was a waste. But nowadays, most people shower once a day. Also, washing your car back then was something you did only when it was obviously dirty, not something you feel obliged to do once a week!

I agree with the showering however washing a car once a week is obsessive.
 
I mean, if it's average of 140litres per person and they waste 2.7 billion litres a day due to spillage each day, then that's 19ish million people covered? presume the water companies will have their own smart meter to motivate themselves to not waste 1/3 worth of water each day the whole country needs.. or will they just bump up my bills more and tell me to be careful.
 
I presume the water companies will have their own smart meter to motivate themselves to not waste 1/3 worth of water each day the whole country needs..
No, but they've had SCADA live monitoring since the 1990s, which is what generates much of the daily worksheets for the leakage teams. It's then down to how quickly the teams are able to get authority to effect the repairs or replacements. For locations without such monitoring, it's usually an engineering study to assess local impact, followed by the various applications, before the repair teams can finally get in to fix things.
 
I mean, if it's average of 140litres per person and they waste 2.7 billion litres a day due to spillage each day, then that's 19ish million people covered? presume the water companies will have their own smart meter to motivate themselves to not waste 1/3 worth of water each day the whole country needs.. or will they just bump up my bills more and tell me to be careful.
Leakage is falling, they are at the lowest they have been since records began, yes the water companies can and should do better but had waving away a massive growth in consumption and building regulations that don’t recognise the problem isn’t going to help. It is a classic case of people making a convenient excuse to avoid altering their behaviour.
 
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