water surge pricing

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Having those bars are just mental in the first place however, purely in response to that guy's tweet/question on why the other window doesn't have it - I believe the larger window is so it can be used as a fire escape as it will likely open right out like a door to give an escape route. (its why mine open right out in a similar fashion on my house).

That being said, the bars are just stupid regardless.
 
200sols said:
Are they really putting those bars in? Thats crazy.

New build prisons.
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Yup, alternatively, they just make the upper floor windows comically small (helps tick some energy efficiency boxes too).

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Edit - obvs this is getting a bit off topic and into the general farce that is the UK planning system - so back on topic, the house in the picture above at least has a water butt, I guess perhaps increasing the use of those will be useful in future for anyone wanting to maintain a garden in the face of things like hosepipe bans.
 
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Richie said:
Water Report out this morning - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4g8dx94jr4t


I see even Fergal Sharkey is getting involved. I guess a good Water Regulator, these days, is hard to find :eek: :o
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The same people will work in the new one, And any problems with the new one they will we are new and learning. Nothing will change, it will carry on as normal. I like the way they added water meters, "The report makes 88 recommendations, including making water meters mandatory " I guess none to benefit consumers..
 
dowie said:
That's entirely subjective, though, and frankly, unless they're actually wasting water/leaving taps running, etc, or actively defying things like hosepipe bans, then I don't really see it. The issue is a lack of infrastructure, not a lack of water in an island nation with plenty of rainfall.



Why is maintaining a garden madness in a warming world? Much better than paving or tarmacking over it or indeed putting down fake grass.

As for flushing "drinking water" down the toilet, why is that bonkers? It's not like people have two different water supplies, the water supplied to people's homes isn't only for drinking, it's for washing and indeed flushing toilets - if you think flushing toilets is wasting water, then I'd certainly disagree if that's included in what you'd deem to be irresponsible behaviours.

What are people supposed to do instead - go full hippie and get a composting toilet? Or do the eco-warrior stuff like not flushing after peeing/flushing for no2s only or putting a brick in the cistern to reduce the flush? We shoudn't need to live like that - it's completely ridiculous that succesive governments haven't allowed for basic infrastructure investment while the population has carried on increasing.
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Lol I have a brick in my toilet cistern, it's an ancient single flush toilet and uses a frankly bonkers amount of water each time it's used, ironically I didn't put it there the previous owner did in the 70's during a similar drought maybe people didn't just use less water back then but were actually more considerate and less entitled than today..

You seem to have somewhat miss read what I have said and projected a load of things onto my words that I didn't write. Tackling the future of water usage in the UK as simply a mass infrastructure project with the building of more and more reservoirs isn't economically or ecologically viable usage has increased 70% per person in the last 40 years combined with a huge increase in population both of which are still going up. We need a joined up approach to build more infrastructure but also to reduce usage particularly for non essential things like keeping the lawn green and lush in the driest spring on record. Building houses without a grey water system is crazy the toilet could be flushed with your shower water and the garden could be watered with you washing up water, i'm not advocating for composting toilets and all the other hyperbole nonsense you chucked in I'm simply suggesting a joint up approach to the future of water usage in the UK.

I read posts on the internet every day where people say 'I won't be following the hose pipe ban, I pay for my water so I'll use as much as I like' or 'where is the rebate on my bill for this hose pipe ban' having a blanket single payment covering the use of as much water as you like encourages waste, nobody has the same I can use as much as I like to the services that are metered. Sadly no government will be brave enough to mandate water meters what we will probable see (and all ready are to a certain extent) it the massive increase in water rates to drive people to meters the latest figures show a massive increase in the number requested but to not mandate it is cowardice and once again punishing the poor as the wealthy won't care.
 
Tram said:
The same people will work in the new one, And any problems with the new one they will we are new and learning. Nothing will change, it will carry on as normal. I like the way they added water meters, "The report makes 88 recommendations, including making water meters mandatory " I guess none to benefit consumers..
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Most customers see a drop in bills if they move to a meter and reduce the amount of water they use so it is a win win for most consumers!
 
m4rmite said:
Water lost = 48.8 litres per person per day (17,812 year) in england and wales in the year 2023-24
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thats gotta be close to the actual usage per day of a single person.

I worked out I probably use around 40-60litres a day, google research claims average person uses close to 150 but the figures all look bloated as hell compared to real world usage.

one of the breakdowns claimed individual person uses 10-15lites a day hand/face washing, which I find hard to believe.... when you consider how long it takes to fill a 2l bottle at hand washing pressure, even if you leave the tap on.
 
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a1ex2001 said:
Tackling the future of water usage in the UK as simply a mass infrastructure project with the building of more and more reservoirs isn't economically or ecologically viable usage has increased 70% per person in the last 40 years combined with a huge increase in population both of which are still going up.
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That's simply false; it's completely viable, it just needs the infrastructure to be developed.

You seem to have somewhat miss read what I have said and projected a load of things onto my words that I didn't write.
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Nope, I've asked you some questions. If I had done what you claim, then you could simply quote where that had occurred, but you don't.

a1ex2001 said:
Building houses without a grey water system is crazy the toilet could be flushed with your shower water and the garden could be watered with you washing up water, i'm not advocating for composting toilets and all the other hyperbole nonsense you chucked in I'm simply suggesting a joint up approach to the future of water usage in the UK.
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That's nice to have, but realistically, you're talking about one toilet flush unless you want a separate tank too - but then still dependent on how many showers you have. I don't think many people will want to put bleach or detergent on their plants, though.

But this is all just downstream of the false narrative that we can't solve this with infrastructure; this whole thing is an entirely artificial problem - if people want to use more water, shower more frequently, buy hot tubs or whatever etc.. then we should provide for that.
 
arknor said:
one of the breakdowns claimed individual person uses 10-15lites a day hand/face washing, which I find hard to believe.... when you consider how long it takes to fill a 2l bottle at hand washing pressure, even if you leave the tap on.
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Most UK taps put out around 10 litres per minute. Many are higher.
20-30 seconds rinsing under the tap, per wash, that sounds roughly accurate.

dowie said:
That's simply false; it's completely viable, it just needs the infrastructure to be developed.
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Who the **** do you think is gonna pay for all that, though?
The government?
The customer?

dowie said:
But this is all just downstream of the false narrative that we can't solve this with infrastructure; this whole thing is an entirely artificial problem - if people want to use more water, shower more frequently, buy hot tubs or whatever etc.. then we should provide for that.
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And they should pay for that.
You're also forgetting that a good percentage of problems only exist in the first place because people misuse and abuse the public water system. No amount of additional infrastucture will resolve that, and anything you do implement will be subjected to the same abuse.
 
Richie said:
Having those bars are just mental in the first place however, purely in response to that guy's tweet/question on why the other window doesn't have it - I believe the larger window is so it can be used as a fire escape as it will likely open right out like a door to give an escape route. (its why mine open right out in a similar fashion on my house).

That being said, the bars are just stupid regardless.
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Firs thing people are going to do after moving in is remove anything like that. There is some rule about the number of wall sockets as well, for eco box ticking. So either people have extension cables everywhere (more of a fire risk), or start installing more sockets the second they move in. Such pointless regulation.

You'd have to be mad to buy a new build. They are all quite prison-ish on tiny plots for the house size. Unless it's a self-build type of thing and actually has some quality put in to it.
 
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Tram said:
The same people will work in the new one, And any problems with the new one they will we are new and learning. Nothing will change, it will carry on as normal. I like the way they added water meters, "The report makes 88 recommendations, including making water meters mandatory " I guess none to benefit consumers..
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Richie said:
93 out of 375 level monitoring stations in Scotland are showing "low" (all seem to be on the NE region).... The other 282 are normal as of today even after this heatwave :cool:

Can be viewed here https://waterlevels.sepa.org.uk/
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So 1 week later and the "low" levels have reduced from 93/375 to 21/375 and all the rest are now "Normal". Out of those, the vast majority have levels that are either "steady" or "rising"

I am not concerned at all, up here anyways.
 
ttaskmaster said:
Most UK taps put out around 10 litres per minute. Many are higher.
20-30 seconds rinsing under the tap, per wash, that sounds roughly accurate.


Who the **** do you think is gonna pay for all that, though?
The government?
The customer?


And they should pay for that.
You're also forgetting that a good percentage of problems only exist in the first place because people misuse and abuse the public water system. No amount of additional infrastucture will resolve that, and anything you do implement will be subjected to the same abuse.
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Paying for it is the absolute key and I’m pleased to see the recommendation for mandatory water meters. We live in a world where people get a clean glass out of the cupboard rinse it with water then refill it to drink it (so many people myself included do this) we have become frivolous in our use of drinking water and people need to face up to it and take responsibility.
 
dowie said:
That's simply false; it's completely viable, it just needs the infrastructure to be developed.



Nope, I've asked you some questions. If I had done what you claim, then you could simply quote where that had occurred, but you don't.



That's nice to have, but realistically, you're talking about one toilet flush unless you want a separate tank too - but then still dependent on how many showers you have. I don't think many people will want to put bleach or detergent on their plants, though.

But this is all just downstream of the false narrative that we can't solve this with infrastructure; this whole thing is an entirely artificial problem - if people want to use more water, shower more frequently, buy hot tubs or whatever etc.. then we should provide for that.
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A grey water system has a tank to store the water so you can flush the toilet and water the garden. You are using the wrong chemicals in you sink in some scary concentrations of pouring it on your garden is going to do the plants any harm.

If as you suggest it is an infrastructure only problem then surely you support metered supplies so those that use the most pay the most so we can build an ever increasing number of reservoirs and pipelines?
 
a1ex2001 said:
A grey water system has a tank to store the water so you can flush the toilet and water the garden. You are using the wrong chemicals in you sink in some scary concentrations of pouring it on your garden is going to do the plants any harm.
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Nope, and frankly, you're being silly here - detergents absolutely can damage plants, and there are further issues with edible plants too - the advice is to use it from rinse cycles on a washing machine. I doubt bleach poured down a sink is going to do much good...

what is grey water: expert RHS advice on using grey water in gardens / RHS

Recycled or 'grey' water should be used with care, but can be useful in times of water shortages
www.rhs.org.uk www.rhs.org.uk

Or you could just use a water butt like I pointed out in the first place!

a1ex2001 said:
If as you suggest it is an infrastructure only problem then surely you support metered supplies so those that use the most pay the most so we can build an ever increasing number of reservoirs and pipelines?
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I don't have an issue in principle with metering, I do think the lack of infrastructure is dumb though, not building a major reservoir for thirty years, for example, while the population has grown significantly in that time is an entirely self-inflicted problem.
 
A friend's mum had the mantra:

"If it's yellow, let it mellow
If it's brown, flush it down"

I soon discovered that peeing in to somebody else's bowl of wee is somewhat aromatic.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Most customers see a drop in bills if they move to a meter and reduce the amount of water they use so it is a win win for most consumers!
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Are there seriously many people in this country not on meters? I have one with bills of £57 a month in a flat with a sink a toilet and a shower I can only assume between the water main and the property theres a massive sink hole where the water is pouring out

ttaskmaster said:
And they should pay for that.
You're also forgetting that a good percentage of problems only exist in the first place because people misuse and abuse the public water system. No amount of additional infrastucture will resolve that, and anything you do implement will be subjected to the same abuse.
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Oh yeah right where its estimated it'll take £107bn of investment where water companies have paid out at minimum £57bn in handouts and bonuses to shareholders and bosses where Southern water bills are going up £200 a year on average and the boss of same company has just doubled his £600,000 salary. No bonuses allowed by the govt? No problem I'll just double my salary instead!
 
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