Ryzen 5600x base Vs boost speed

[johnnybb]

Hello,

So due to temp problems using the stock cooler (which I'm eventually going to change)I've set my Ryzen 5600 min/max usage to 99% so it basically stays locked 3.5 GHz.

This computer is mostly used by my son who plays Minecraft, Apex legends and a little bit of editing and I've not noticed any real performance loss due to this setting? The temperature was going up to 88-89c but now never goes above 65C.

I'm just wondering in what situation this is going to cause noticeable performance problems such as FPS? And why does the Ryzen boost speeds when the CPU usage is only 60-70%?

 

[Armageus]

So due to temp problems using the stock cooler (which I'm eventually going to change)I've set my Ryzen 5600 min/max usage to 99% so it basically stays locked 3.5 GHz.

You are leaving lots of performance on the table

The temperature was going up to 88-89c but now never goes above 65C.

Why do you think this is a problem?

I'm just wondering in what situation this is going to cause noticeable performance problems such as FPS?

In anything that is single threaded (or at least not heavily multithreaded)

Minecraft is still mostly single threaded as I understand it

And why does the Ryzen boost speeds when the CPU usage is only 60-70%?

Because when fully loaded with threads the package temperature ends up being higher, so there is less headroom to boost.

 

[Gray2233]

The chip will boost as high as it can within thermal limits, I'd not be concerned about those temps as it'll just downclock as necessary.

If you're really concerned about noise/temps it doesn't cost much to see a hefty improvement.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 Evo ARGB CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02720) = £16.99

Total: £20.99 (includes delivery: £3.99)​

I've a variant of this exact HSF running with a 5800X3D, - 30 offset and it's absolutely fine, I rarely see it hit above 65C even in the current weather with gaming, but hold in mind I do have a case with pretty good airflow too.

 

[thebandit]

It's almost best these days to just let the chip do it's thing under reasonable cooling. I've had a couple of 5600's , cool running little chip, never had any issues with them, they look after themselves, boost, wattage and temp wise

 

[johnnybb]

Cheers for the replies.

I get nervous when the temp gets to the high 80s as I've heard it's bad for the CPU over time so would rather extend the life of the chip by keeping it at the base setting if the current applications don't warrant the extra performance boost.

Obviously this may change as my son gets older and uses more demanding programs etc.

 

[johnnybb]

It's almost best these days to just let the chip do it's thing under reasonable cooling. I've had a couple of 5600's , cool running little chip, never had any issues with them, they look after themselves, boost, wattage and temp wise

Is the wraith stock cooler classed as "reasonable cooling" is the question

It seems the highest it has reached is 89c while gaming and has short bursts upto 91c when loading certain games etc but mostly sits at 86-87

 

[thebandit]

From memory AMD spec the chip to run up to 95c , so if everything is left to it's own devices and under the wraith it's not climbing above that I would assume its fine

 

[Tetras]

I get nervous when the temp gets to the high 80s as I've heard it's bad for the CPU over time so would rather extend the life of the chip by keeping it at the base setting if the current applications don't warrant the extra performance boost.

Obviously this may change as my son gets older and uses more demanding programs etc.

AMD themselves say it is fine, so I'd hope that they're right.

This is from a blog article they wrote awhile back, when there was discomfort about the AM5 CPU temps:

So let’s address the elephant in the room head on: Why does Ryzen live at 95 degrees under multi-threaded workloads? Is that too hot?

Designed for a lifetime at 95

Before anything else, let’s be clear: All of the quality analysis for Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors was done at 95 degrees Celsius. The chip is engineered to live its life at this temperature with no detriment to longevity or reliability. In fact, this is the same design target we’ve had for a number of product generations, but it has not been until the Ryzen 7000 series that the platform has had access to a level of socket power that makes 95 C the temperature that delivers the most performance during multithreaded workloads…

95 is the target for best performance

Put simply, because Ryzen 7000 is intelligent, it targets the maximum power and temperature limits and goes there as fast as it can because it knows that’s where it will get the best performance. The two main limits are socket power (PPT, which varies between 88W and 230W depending on the processor), and temperature (TjMax, which is a safe 95 degrees for all Ryzen 7000 processors).

Ryzen 7000 Series Processors: Let's Talk About Power, Temperature, and Performance

At AMD, we’re extremely proud of what our engineers accomplished with the new Ryzen 7000 series processors and platform from all angles. Whether it’s performance, efficiency, or longevity, this is just a killer processor. But to push the boundaries, you have to break convention sometimes, and...

community.amd.com

Is the wraith stock cooler classed as "reasonable cooling" is the question

Stock coolers are really just meant to be adequate to prevent the CPU from throttling in normal usage.

 

[johnnybb]

AMD themselves say it is fine, so I'd hope that they're right.

This is from a blog article they wrote awhile back, when there was discomfort about the AM5 CPU temps:

Ryzen 7000 Series Processors: Let's Talk About Power, Temperature, and Performance

At AMD, we’re extremely proud of what our engineers accomplished with the new Ryzen 7000 series processors and platform from all angles. Whether it’s performance, efficiency, or longevity, this is just a killer processor. But to push the boundaries, you have to break convention sometimes, and...

community.amd.com

Stock coolers are really just meant to be adequate to prevent the CPU from throttling in normal usage.

Great post!

My worry was that I was getting a quick spike in temperature upto 83-84 and it would slowly rise over the next hour to 88-89c and my thought process was that the fan couldn't handle it and maintain it at 84 and it was eventually just hit 95-100 and throttle.

 

[Armageus]

Rather than locking frequencies have you tried the ECO mode bios option? This should cap the CPU at 45w target (rather than 65w), which will reduce performance slightly, but leave boost functionality intact

 

[johnnybb]

Rather than locking frequencies have you tried the ECO mode bios option? This should cap the CPU at 45w target (rather than 65w), which will reduce performance slightly, but leave boost functionality intact

Can this also be done using Ryzen master?

 

[Armageus]

Can this also be done using Ryzen master?

Fairly sure it can

 

[johnnybb]

So I enabled eco mode in Ryzen master and it's made the temp stick around 70-75c with no real hit to FPS or performance.

I've noticed though that there is no option to turn off eco mode through Ryzen master? The button has disappeared.

Is this done through bios? Or would uninstalling Ryzen master move it?