Car tax robbery by government

[theone8181]

With regards to the ncap testing, I wish they just added on extra stars just to show the difference. I realise this would probably make modern cars ncap 100, but it would really highlight the difference. As for weights, I'm sure I read somewhere (might have been related to bridge design), that cars are ignored as it's hgvs that do damage. I'm not sure even a supercar could rip the tarmac off the road . As a related note, while there does seem to be a fair few potholes in this country, a lot of others seem to get sinkholes which we don't get very often.

Sorry all of that was off topic. Just a blanket tax on all cars, at the same amount would cover it. I bet £200 on every car, regardless of age would be more than they currently make on VED (but would annoy classic car drivers, maybe an exemption for less than 1000 miles per year?).

 

[Haggisman]

Sorry all of that was off topic. Just a blanket tax on all cars, at the same amount would cover it. I bet £200 on every car, regardless of age would be more than they currently make on VED (but would annoy classic car drivers, maybe an exemption for less than 1000 miles per year?).

The admin to monitor the mileage in those cases would be a bit of a nightmare I think, but yeah, a flat rate on all cars (maybe with the "luxury" car supplement set at a sensible level and reviewed annually) would make perfect sense and be the fairest way to do it. None of this ******* about depending when it was registered, engine size, CO2 etc. it's clearly nothing to do with emissions anymore, so why maintain those bands?

 

[Jonnycoupe]

I see this claim regularly but how much evidence is there what a say 2T car ‘wears out the road more quickly’ than a 1.5T car?

Yes the 2T car has a bit more energy but does that actually equate to a material amount when you consider the road surface is built for trucks weighing 44T and potentially more for oversized loads.

I’d expect it to be within measurement error and road wear has much more to do with how people drive than the weight of the car. E.g. heavy acceleration, braking, cornering speed will have more impact.

Yep - road wear calculations are determined pretty much from the HGV usage.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

But a lot of it isn't though. Most plastic isn't actually recycled, especially if it's already been recycled. Battery recycling rate is still quite low.

You can re-use metal many times. But now car bodywork is starting to be made using more composites to keep weight down, which can't be. You can't recycle carpet, you can't recycle the fake leather (more non-recyclable plastic) seats or the foam padding.

They dont use composites as are they are a pain to recycle, half the issue with the BMW i3 story. Rest of the above you are just , as usual, making it up to suit your narrative and nothing else. If you think the heavy bits of a car are the plastic parts that tells us all what you know about cars. Next to nothing or....

negligible

Software won't be able to tell you that. In fact the onboard BMS won't tell you much and it's not very advanced equipment (which is expensive). You'll likely see all healthy one day and dead the next as that is the nature of lithium batteries.

The software talks to the detection methods aswell as the cell voltages. Nasher is in RC toys land thinking it applied to actual cars

 

[Nasher]

With regards to the ncap testing, I wish they just added on extra stars just to show the difference. I realise this would probably make modern cars ncap 100, but it would really highlight the difference. As for weights, I'm sure I read somewhere (might have been related to bridge design), that cars are ignored as it's hgvs that do damage. I'm not sure even a supercar could rip the tarmac off the road . As a related note, while there does seem to be a fair few potholes in this country, a lot of others seem to get sinkholes which we don't get very often.

Sorry all of that was off topic. Just a blanket tax on all cars, at the same amount would cover it. I bet £200 on every car, regardless of age would be more than they currently make on VED (but would annoy classic car drivers, maybe an exemption for less than 1000 miles per year?).

Miliage clocking would be rampant with anything miliage based.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Sorry all of that was off topic. Just a blanket tax on all cars, at the same amount would cover it. I bet £200 on every car

This is basically exactly how it currently works and has done since 2017 for cars registered since then, with the exception of the high list price top up.

Retrospectively changing the taxation system for existing cars is rarely done and for good reason.

 

[theone8181]

This is basically exactly how it currently works and has done since 2017 for cars registered since then, with the exception of the high list price top up.

Retrospectively changing the taxation system for existing cars is rarely done and for good reason.

I did mean all cars . Maybe have some sort of APNR system that charges you more, the more cameras you go through,could use itto ease congestion. How do other countries do it, does the USA have any sort of road tax?