Pension?

If you force private companies too much then they will consider reducing staffing and / or hiring (or just invest in AI) - the NI increase / threshold decrease has already messed everything up which was painfully obvious to everyone apart from Rachel from accounts it seems.

I agree 100% but we wouldn't need this if certain private companies were state owned and never sold off. The energy sector and oil sector should have never been privatised and like Norway a sovereign wealth fund could have been created and we would all be laughing right now.
 
Some Government just needs to get a grip on the deficit and reduce spending elsewhere.
What exactly is the £332bn "Other" spending going on? £100bn on servicing our debt is getting ridiculous.

Cut that Other in half, that would solve the deficit and pension crisis in 1 go, with surplus left over to start paying down the debt, which would free up more money from interest payments each year.

It's not rocket science. Governments are just utterly incompetent.

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It is all well and good saying there will be uproar but when there is zero money there is little that can be done.
Thats not fair. Like it or not, the black hole that is getting larger by the day won't magically disappear if we kicked the can down the road until a new generation comes through. It needs addressing now. Fundamentally we need a tax reform to tax the mega wealthy and multi-national companies properly and we need to look at how care and medical costs are paid.

People should not be able to protect their wealth as they age and die to the detriment of the future generations. Things like winter fuel allowance being means tested is a great example of how unwilling the older generation are to actually play ball. **** everyone else, what about me eh.

Let's face it, the state pension is just a big ponzi scheme... the money that we are putting in now has nothing to do with the money we get out from it. It is paying for the current pensioners.
Likewise when we retire and hopefully get a pension, it's the people that are still working that will be paying for us.

The issue is that the number of people that are getting a pension is growing, as people are just living longer.

With birth rates to produce new workers dropping and limited work immigration; who come here work and pay there taxes then bugger off back to their own countries when they are old. The number of people paying into this ponzi is dropping.
 
The Pensions and Lifetime Savings Association say "comfortable retirement" for a single person household needs an annual income of £43,900. That means with a 4% drawdown I'd need £1.1 million in my pension pot.

Who has £1.1 million saved!!

Surely that can't be right, have I messed up somewhere? :D
Its not wrong.
And you're not wrong.. Not many (including me) are going to have a retirement.

I'm not compromising my life now to have a few hundred a month more in future though!


Only way I'll retire is selling all my UK assets and retiring somewhere with low cost of living and a better climate.
Doubt there will be a state pension anyway when/if I get there.

AI will probably make this all moot anyway.
 
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Is it fair? I don't think so. You're being taxed, when dead, on something you've already paid tax for.

I would imagine the only people who really support it are people who aren't getting any inheritance.
I support more aggressive IHT (ie making it inescapable) and I would be hurt by this.

Inheritance can gift someone the easiest life,able to do a job they love (ie low pay) or not even work at all.

For those who get no help even modest home ownership is a pipedream or you could be pinned into a life of scraping by.

Inheritance powers the class divide and it's getting bigger and bigger.
 
Cut that Other in half, that would solve the deficit and pension crisis in 1 go, with surplus left over to start paying down the debt, which would free up more money from interest payments each year.
Damn, why hasn't any chancellor ever thought of just slashing spending on a raft of stuff in half? Problem solved! :rolleyes:
 
Inheritance powers the class divide and it's getting bigger and bigger.
Maybe for the top top teir of inheritance I agree but I'm not sure for the middle and working classes. Education and the availability of good paying craft/trade/professional careers is a greater issue. My grandparents generation were working class council house living but the next generation got good schooling and careers in heavy and manufacturing industries transformed them to middle classes. Their chidren didn't inherit lifechanging amounts what they inherited was good educational opportunities and the guidance to go into secure professional work. Someone inheriting a few hundred K has been lifted with regards to property ownership, but unless they havea career and a pension that will soon be eaten by old age costs and I question if it really raises the family with any permanence.
 
Expectations clearly vary significantly from person to person, but according to UK Pensions, "Comfortable" spending for a retired couple is just over £5k a month.
lol really? a huge number of working couples are on less than that and likely have higher outgoings.
personally if I could guarantee an index linked £1500 a month I would probably retire tomorrow ... the Mrs would probably not be happy mind you. :D
 
Some Government just needs to get a grip on the deficit and reduce spending elsewhere.
What exactly is the £332bn "Other" spending going on? £100bn on servicing our debt is getting ridiculous.

Cut that Other in half, that would solve the deficit and pension crisis in 1 go, with surplus left over to start paying down the debt, which would free up more money from interest payments each year.

It's not rocket science. Governments are just utterly incompetent.

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The money goes to their mates.
 
There will come a point where the government will simply not be able to pay out the pension unless something drastic changes.

In my opinion the government should be forcing private companies to do more because current minimum contributions are terrible.

When you think about it the basic state pension is around £250k over 20 years. Not including inflation.

The vast majority of people in this country will not have a 300k pension pot to withdraw from when they hit retirement age. The ones that do will suffer because they saved whereas the ones that don't will get it for free.

When people are paying 500-600k for a roof over their heads that is where all the pension pot money is going.

It is all well and good saying there will be uproar but when there is zero money there is little that can be done.
Ask someone earning £25K a year if they can afford a pension,it's a jokje. Most can barely afford rent. The government should have created a public pension fund decades ago.


If they want to reduce public spending, they can't offload essential services to the private sector, like prisons or parts of the NHS.


I've built up 23 years toward my state pension, and that's enough for me. It's one of the reasons I'm leaving this country. I refuse to keep contributing to a system that hands out massive benefits to the wealthy.

Farming subsidies,. the EU used to pay them, when the UK left, the government chose to keep those payments going. A lot of that land has never even been farmed. The policy basically benefits landowners for not using their land with a nice income.
 
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Some Government just needs to get a grip on the deficit and reduce spending elsewhere.
What exactly is the £332bn "Other" spending going on? £100bn on servicing our debt is getting ridiculous.

Cut that Other in half, that would solve the deficit and pension crisis in 1 go, with surplus left over to start paying down the debt, which would free up more money from interest payments each year.

It's not rocket science. Governments are just utterly incompetent.

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We've just had 14 years of a Government trying to reduce the deficit I would imagine if that £332Bn of Other wasn't important they would have cut it by now. Unfortunately the UK's biggest problem is growth and the MASSIVE Quatatitive Easing we did destroyed growth for a generation, cheap credit pushed into assets was safer and easier than investing in productivity. The Government (cheered on by pretty much everyone) bought the central banker BS and we are left paying the price. Added to Rachel Reeves crusade to prove the Laffer Curve experimentially and the UK's very high proportion of index linked Gilts we are in deep stuff. If we're unlucky a fiscal crisis appears in the next 4 years and 10% cuts to all Government spending will feel like we've been let off lightly or the next Government of whatever flavour is going to have to take an absolute hatchett to benefit spending to turn the corner on the deficit. This Labour Government shot itself in the foot (or should that be country in the head??) right out of the gates with it's NIC's incresae and lax pay restraint in the public sector, the first is hitting tax income and employment and the second has increased inflation and thus those index linked Gilts are biting us.
 
Maybe for the top top teir of inheritance I agree but I'm not sure for the middle and working classes. Education and the availability of good paying craft/trade/professional careers is a greater issue. My grandparents generation were working class council house living but the next generation got good schooling and careers in heavy and manufacturing industries transformed them to middle classes. Their chidren didn't inherit lifechanging amounts what they inherited was good educational opportunities and the guidance to go into secure professional work. Someone inheriting a few hundred K has been lifted with regards to property ownership, but unless they havea career and a pension that will soon be eaten by old age costs and I question if it really raises the family with any permanence.
Sometimes I think people see IHT as you don't get anything above the threshold. You still have the generous tax free amount (isn't it up to 1mln?) and only then is it taxed.

I'd bring the level down myself and make it a per dependent level. Say 200k tax free per child.
5 kids? 1 million? No IHT
1 kid? 1 million? Pay IHT.

No idea what I'd put the rate at, but it would encourage gifting earlier (more valuable) and this would likely be invested or spend into the economy.

It would be unpopular. But so is crumbling NHS and everything else. The population want it both ways. A great NHS but lower taxes. Not going to happen.
 
Hmmm this has opened a cab of worms, but some very interesting opinions and views.

So I'll save my money into an ISA rather than private pension, and as I've accrued enough years for a full state pension, stop paying into it and move abroad... Live out the rest of my life in paradise until 68yrs old when I find out my pension has been cancelled because they can't afford it... :D
 
Its not wrong.
And you're not wrong.. Not many (including me) are going to have a retirement.

I'm not compromising my life now to have a few hundred a month more in future though!


Only way I'll retire is selling all my UK assets and retiring somewhere with low cost of living and a better climate.
Doubt there will be a state pension anyway when/if I get there.

AI will probably make this all moot anyway.
The way to do it put all your income for the first two years into a sipp.if you earn 100k stick the max allowed so if you earn 50k stick around 37k. Do that for two or 3 years. Then go back to reclaiming your wages. By setting it like that and you have 20 years it would leave in such a great spot when coming to retirement.
 
Sometimes I think people see IHT as you don't get anything above the threshold. You still have the generous tax free amount (isn't it up to 1mln?) and only then is it taxed.

I'd bring the level down myself and make it a per dependent level. Say 200k tax free per child.
5 kids? 1 million? No IHT
1 kid? 1 million? Pay IHT.

No idea what I'd put the rate at, but it would encourage gifting earlier (more valuable) and this would likely be invested or spend into the economy.

It would be unpopular. But so is crumbling NHS and everything else. The population want it both ways. A great NHS but lower taxes. Not going to happen.

There is already a tax free allowance If you leave your house to your children. If IHT does get changed it might make more sense to clamp down on the loopholes to stop the seriously wealthy from dodging it, and introduce a higher tax band. For example keep the current 40% rate for estates up to £2M but increase the rate to 50% on balances above that.
 
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Hmmm this has opened a cab of worms, but some very interesting opinions and views.

So I'll save my money into an ISA rather than private pension, and as I've accrued enough years for a full state pension, stop paying into it and move abroad... Live out the rest of my life in paradise until 68yrs old when I find out my pension has been cancelled because they can't afford it... :D

Well, you'll only know what was actually the best thing to do when you die. If we could accurately predict the future then we would all be crypto (or whatever) billionaires.
 
There is already a tax free allowance If you leave your house to your children. If IHT does get changed it might make more sense to clamp down on the loopholes to stop the seriously wealthy from dodging it, and introduce a higher tax band. For example keep the current 40% rate for estates up to £2M but increase the rate to 50% on balances above that.

Why should that happen? Why does being successful come with so many negatives in this country?

Stuff like that would make me leave the UK.
 
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