EV general discussion
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I think there is one thing you can take away from that conversation, don’t listen to your other half or their mate as they know nothing about cars.
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Yup.
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Yeah ignore anyone's mate who 'knows loads about' whatever subject.
example: I've had a robot lawn mower for 7 years now and its been utterly fantastic, everyone is telling my uncle to get one as he's in his 70's now and struggling to mow his lawn. But he spoke to one of his neighbours who 'knows loads about mowers' and told him robot ones are rubbish.. so he bought a petrol ride on instead.. can't help some people.
Quality, buy a 6 year old one with the original battery and ask them how to solve the impossibility you are now stuck in.
Ahh, the 'my other halves mate'.. I think they work at the same company I do because they've also said very similar, here's the top 10 I have heard:
1. Like phones, they stop getting software support after a couple of years and therefore are a real security risk so will become a useless brick before long.
2. Any updates they do get are designed to make the car slow down / battery degrade even faster to force you to 'upgrade' to a new one every 2-3 years
3. The batteries can just explode in a fireball when you least expect it, they'll last 2-3 years but all that mechanical stress of them bouncing around means they are mechanically weakened and likely to fail once out of warranty
4. The future is hydrogen anyway, that's why the Gov't aren't investing in charging infrastructure any more, the real plan is using existing gas lines to pipe hydrogen direct to your property so you can refuel with hydrogen at home. They've already had hydrogen cars working and everything was going this way but the EV oligarchs have paid to nobble the hydrogen technology by buying out those companies and just binning the tech to preserve EVs a bit longer, but they can't keep doing this forever, so give it 3-5 years and EVs will be redundant.
5. Unlike ICE cars, EVs are far more complicated and have 20-30 ECUs that are obsolete as soon as a model is launched so in 3-5 years there will be no spare parts and your EV will just be a useless lump sat on the driveway broken.. EVs can't operate without more ECUs, unlike petrol/diesel that have far fewer 'parts' and are far simpler.
6. Musk is a Nazi, Musk pioneered EVs, so really all EVs are far-right.. Think about it, they are really only for selfish people to laud it up over everyone else, they discriminate by being too expensive for every minority to ever afford and are disposable.. They are so unbelievably racist we should force people to sell their EVs and find a random London based migrant slumming it in a 3 bed flat in Kensington and give them the money to buy corner sofa's and large screen TVs.
7. All EVs have a remote kill switch that will either just stop the car working when the gov't decide they don't want you driving them, or maybe the kill switch will err, kill you? I can't remember which.
8. Just glancing sideways at an EV will make it depreciate at 1000% per day.. this is why £100K EVs that are 2 weeks old are less than £2k now, because no one wants them, dealers have fields full of them just sat around depreciating, occasionally a few burst in to flames which is why insurance for EVs is so expensive.
9. The Gov't have already put legislation in place to forcibly control precisely when you charge at home and for how long, which means in a couple of years if Reform get in, Farage will dictate how much charge you can have each day based on how you voted at the last election, total Facism 101. Obviously if Angela 'bless her little heart' Raynor takes over from Kier 'fluffykins' Starmer, they'll use that to stop potential Reform voters from being able to drive to the polling booths by limiting their ability to charge which is bloomin fantastic and absolutely justifiable and righteous to stop those fascists getting in.
10. Guns don't kill people, EVs do, I heard it on a documentary on BBC 2
I might have paraphrased a few, but you get the jist...
1. Like phones, they stop getting software support after a couple of years and therefore are a real security risk so will become a useless brick before long.
2. Any updates they do get are designed to make the car slow down / battery degrade even faster to force you to 'upgrade' to a new one every 2-3 years
3. The batteries can just explode in a fireball when you least expect it, they'll last 2-3 years but all that mechanical stress of them bouncing around means they are mechanically weakened and likely to fail once out of warranty
4. The future is hydrogen anyway, that's why the Gov't aren't investing in charging infrastructure any more, the real plan is using existing gas lines to pipe hydrogen direct to your property so you can refuel with hydrogen at home. They've already had hydrogen cars working and everything was going this way but the EV oligarchs have paid to nobble the hydrogen technology by buying out those companies and just binning the tech to preserve EVs a bit longer, but they can't keep doing this forever, so give it 3-5 years and EVs will be redundant.
5. Unlike ICE cars, EVs are far more complicated and have 20-30 ECUs that are obsolete as soon as a model is launched so in 3-5 years there will be no spare parts and your EV will just be a useless lump sat on the driveway broken.. EVs can't operate without more ECUs, unlike petrol/diesel that have far fewer 'parts' and are far simpler.
6. Musk is a Nazi, Musk pioneered EVs, so really all EVs are far-right.. Think about it, they are really only for selfish people to laud it up over everyone else, they discriminate by being too expensive for every minority to ever afford and are disposable.. They are so unbelievably racist we should force people to sell their EVs and find a random London based migrant slumming it in a 3 bed flat in Kensington and give them the money to buy corner sofa's and large screen TVs.
7. All EVs have a remote kill switch that will either just stop the car working when the gov't decide they don't want you driving them, or maybe the kill switch will err, kill you? I can't remember which.
8. Just glancing sideways at an EV will make it depreciate at 1000% per day.. this is why £100K EVs that are 2 weeks old are less than £2k now, because no one wants them, dealers have fields full of them just sat around depreciating, occasionally a few burst in to flames which is why insurance for EVs is so expensive.
9. The Gov't have already put legislation in place to forcibly control precisely when you charge at home and for how long, which means in a couple of years if Reform get in, Farage will dictate how much charge you can have each day based on how you voted at the last election, total Facism 101. Obviously if Angela 'bless her little heart' Raynor takes over from Kier 'fluffykins' Starmer, they'll use that to stop potential Reform voters from being able to drive to the polling booths by limiting their ability to charge which is bloomin fantastic and absolutely justifiable and righteous to stop those fascists getting in.
10. Guns don't kill people, EVs do, I heard it on a documentary on BBC 2
I might have paraphrased a few, but you get the jist...
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i was chatting to my father in law about getting an EV the other day.......
first 2 comments he made was
1. what if you get up one day and decide to drive to scotland, how will you get there in an EV ( never been to scotland in my 49yrs of living lol)
2. How much do you pay to rent the battery
some other comments like they are slow, got no ooomph and where would you charge it..... whilst standing on my newly built drive that has 2 external electric sockets, along with 8 solar panels on the roof and 8 on my shed....
first 2 comments he made was
1. what if you get up one day and decide to drive to scotland, how will you get there in an EV ( never been to scotland in my 49yrs of living lol)
2. How much do you pay to rent the battery
some other comments like they are slow, got no ooomph and where would you charge it..... whilst standing on my newly built drive that has 2 external electric sockets, along with 8 solar panels on the roof and 8 on my shed....
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Reminds me of a chap who I used to work with many moons ago. Came in to the office one day beaming that he'd bought a new car. I came in to the tea room for a sandwich to hear him mid conversation telling the other office gonks "it's really fast, I overtake anything on the road and there's really no need for any more performance, it's bloody brilliant". Me thinking that this type of conversation would at least start with a 3l V6, I asked him what he'd bought, "a passat diesel, 1.9 turbo".
These were still very much the days where turbos were only on things like RS Turbos and other highly strung cars, and he automatically thought the because his car had "a turbo" it was in the same league as those cars. To him this was a Lotus Carlton and nobody had the audacity to crush his soul, he was so proud of it
These were still very much the days where turbos were only on things like RS Turbos and other highly strung cars, and he automatically thought the because his car had "a turbo" it was in the same league as those cars. To him this was a Lotus Carlton and nobody had the audacity to crush his soul, he was so proud of it
Just checked the charger stats and since we had it installed we've used a little under £8 worth of electric across 2 cars and done approx 600 miles.
Bargain and that's not even taking into account the fact we're getting pretty reliable charging slots across our heavy usage times in the evening so that's another 75%ish saved on that usage.
Considering it would have been £75ish in fuel alone for that milage in my old car that's some crazy savings.
Bargain and that's not even taking into account the fact we're getting pretty reliable charging slots across our heavy usage times in the evening so that's another 75%ish saved on that usage.
Considering it would have been £75ish in fuel alone for that milage in my old car that's some crazy savings.
MIne only lasts a week or so (depending on my mileage), but are they not aware you can recharge them?
yes, which is analogous to evangilism : turbo revolution was also addressing climate warming, and purists cast dispersions(no substitute for cc's),
but eventually the total cost of ownership&utility became compelling, and the prols adopted it - not at that ev tipping point yet, though.
(the annual £400 ved on my 210g NA, and mpg, had been becoming onerous)
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Renault 5 immediately has a defeat button for all the driving 'aids', the french think of everything (I'm a Francophile),
even then I thought the black-boxes were now recording 100's of ms of car control data which can be used to see what happened if you have a crash.
Have been thinking about replacing my car with a EV next year.
Now the likes of the face-lift Enyaq are nudging 300miles real world range (or so the reviews say..) it's becoming tempting.
Can't think of many days out that I'd be topping 300miles there and back, longer planned trips don't worry me too much.
Got a driveway and the easiest charger install you could ask for, how long do we think the cheaper over night rates will be a thing?
I get through about £80 a month in petrol atm.
Now the likes of the face-lift Enyaq are nudging 300miles real world range (or so the reviews say..) it's becoming tempting.
Can't think of many days out that I'd be topping 300miles there and back, longer planned trips don't worry me too much.
Got a driveway and the easiest charger install you could ask for, how long do we think the cheaper over night rates will be a thing?
I get through about £80 a month in petrol atm.
They’ll be a thing for the foreseeable.
There will always be price signals (aka cheaper slots) to charge cars to stop people charging them when the grid is the most congested (e.g. early evening). The times and pricing may change but they will always be there.
There will always be price signals (aka cheaper slots) to charge cars to stop people charging them when the grid is the most congested (e.g. early evening). The times and pricing may change but they will always be there.
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A lot of cars have very easy to change driver assistance settings, both my cars (older than a R5) do this with the steering wheel button dedicated to driver assistance. So it’s nothing new, novel or unique to Renault.
#factchecking.
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Anybody else on the OHME trial? For those that don't know, some owners of OHME home chargers (I have the OHME Home Pro) were invited to take part in a trial where they are paying us to plug our cars in whether you need to charge or not. If you plug in for 3-4 times a week for a minimum of six hours a time they will pay you £3 a week up to a maximum of £12 a month. Plug in five times or more per week and you can earn £4 a week up to a maximum of £16 a month. It goes on a gift card and you can choose where it is valid such as Amazon etc. I have been plugging in every day so am on for the maximum amount each month. I don't know what their end game is, supposedly it's something to do with charging times but as it still applies even if we plug in and don't charge I am not sure about that. Maybe it's to improve the app which would be very welcome as it can be buggy as hell sometimes yet work perfectly at other times.
My neighbours used to think I was taking the mick when they asked me how much it costs to run and I told them a penny a mile but now as my car is using less than a quid per week in electricity (5p per kWh) it's really costing me nothing to run and I am actually being paid for running it.
My neighbours used to think I was taking the mick when they asked me how much it costs to run and I told them a penny a mile but now as my car is using less than a quid per week in electricity (5p per kWh) it's really costing me nothing to run and I am actually being paid for running it.
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The cheek of it 
“We can’t fix your car so just buy a new one with us”
“We can’t fix your car so just buy a new one with us”
It will certainly be interesting to see how things unfold but I agree, there will always be incentives to encourage people to charge at more opportune times.
I love a theoretical bit of number play and because I'm lazy I used AI for this particular game but...
Energy use in the UK averages around 710 GWh per day (2023 figures). If every car in the UK was electric, continued to drive an average of about 20 miles a day and was recharged daily that would be about 200 GWh of electricity which is a fair percentage. There is no way you wouldn't want to manage that in some way and financial incentives to charge at certain times or intelligent charging (Octopus intelligent Go for example) seem to be the obvious routes.
Before I get jumped on I know we won't get all 33 million cars in the UK swapping to electric ever but as I say, I love a theoretical number game and you can apply whatever percentage you like, the numbers still end up large.
You shouldn't need to go into settings. It's been a year since I looked at Kona, we went with Tucson hybrid at the end, but pretty sure there's shortcut. On Tucson I hold down the mute button for few seconds to turn off speed warning and think it's holding the lane keep assist button for few seconds to turn off lane keep assist. I don't mind the lane keep so don't bother turning it off.
The electrification of heat will mean that 710gwh number will grow rapidly in future years when excluding EVs.
IIRC the grid are projecting peak demand (e.g. 6pm) could hit 100gw around 2050 if trends accelerate. There will be a lot of gaps around this to fill in with cheap electricity to charge cars
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Arent you a bit more than that, I thought you were a Frenchman living in the UK?