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GoogalyMoogaly said:
I think it depends on context. 9% of £100,000,000 is a lot, 9% of a small pizza is not.

If I had 150fps before and now have 164fps it makes little difference as my monitor's refresh rate is 120fps, so I'll likely notice little to no difference (maybe a few 1% lows might have been below 120fps).
If I had 45fps before and now have 49fps, it's not making much difference.

Now I'd imagine most people will have tweaked their graphics settings so their fps is at a range that's acceptable to them, I'm not sure 9% is going to cause too many people to adjust their graphics settings and gain a massively different experience.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing obviously, just that I can understand why they've not bothered to make a big thing about it. Besides which there have been a few drivers since release so it likely they didn't deliver the 9% in one driver, more likely it was smaller gains over time.
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I would say if you have 45fps any number that gets you closer to 60 is a very very good thing.

If anyone wants to give me 9% more of anything I purchase with no extra cost, I am not going to complain about it.
 
Comment stickied on the HUB video quoted below.

So it boils down to the 9070XT is faster than when it was reviewed, but it's not just drivers, they should have made that clearer.

As for the 5070Ti comparison it's not clear if that was 2 runs with old/new drivers or also uses original data and a new run with current drivers, however a (very) quick check of the review vs the numbers in this new video suggests it's the latter so is a good apples-apples comparison.



I don't want to directly or individually address the videos discussing the 9070 XT testing I did recently. Those videos did misunderstand the test, but unfortunately I didn’t explain the video as well as I should have, and did suggest that the bulk of the gains in at least one instance were a result of display drivers when really it could have been any number of things.
To help avoid confusion I should have also labelled the graphs “Review Data” and “Latest Data” rather than review drivers and latest drivers.
The point of the video was to take the review data for the 9070 XT and 5070 Ti, and compare that to what we’re getting now, using the same games and settings featured in the review. This gives us a look at how things have progressed after 4 months, are the margins still the same or has one card improved more than the other?
I wasn’t the first to notice that for whatever reason the 9070 XT had improved in a number of games. @pcgameshardware first reported a 13% increase in performance for the 9070 XT in Hunt Showdown 1896, 13% in Space Marine 2, 24% for Forza Motorsport, 17% for Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, 23% for Half-Life Ray Traced and 14% for Portal RTX.
Outside of that they tested a range of games I didn’t, meaning many of the 16 games I tested weren’t featured in their content, so I was keen to see what changes might be seen in those titles.
The gains for the 9070 XT and RDNA 4 series in general aren’t just a result of newer drivers, they’re likely a combination of things, such as game updates, platform updates and perhaps even Windows updates. So a simple driver test where you compare the release driver with the latest driver won’t necessarily show the same gains for all games, as all other updates have already taken place.
Just to be clear that wasn’t the purpose of this content, and I think I explained the idea behind the video quite well. As stated in the video the idea was to take the outdated review data for the 9070 XT and 5070 Ti, and compare that to what we’re seeing today. My mistake was focusing on drivers as being the leading cause for the performance gains, which was an assumption on my part.
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Grim5 said:
Good for HUB admitting it, hope they update their video to say there is no fine wine from drivers, just bad HUB data
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Sounds like it is. But it is a combination of things. I guess 100% way to say it was just drivers is to have machine a and machine b. Both same windows os and patch level and same game patch level. One has earlier GPU drivers and the other the latest. Then go test. :)
 
So HUB willingly spread mis information with misleading data and a clickbait thumbnail/title.

Whats just as bad if not worse is all the other Youtubers and tech sites that where happy to repost this without checking the data.
 
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Rob_B said:
Comment stickied on the HUB video quoted below.

So it boils down to the 9070XT is faster than when it was reviewed, but it's not just drivers, they should have made that clearer.

As for the 5070Ti comparison it's not clear if that was 2 runs with old/new drivers or also uses original data and a new run with current drivers, however a (very) quick check of the review vs the numbers in this new video suggests it's the latter so is a good apples-apples comparison.
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It's interesting that they say they didn't mean to imply it was just drivers when they include "AMD FineWine" in the video title, obviously understanding the connotations of FineWine especially when used in the context of AMD.
It's like putting "AMD driver improvements!" in the video title and then complaining that people misunderstood the video as it wasn't trying to imply that AMD had made driver improvements!
I think perhaps it's not "everyone else" that are mostly to blame for this confusion.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
It's interesting that they say they didn't mean to imply it was just drivers when they include "AMD FineWine" in the video title, obviously understanding the connotations of FineWine especially when used in the context of AMD.
It's like putting "AMD driver improvements!" in the video title and then complaining that people misunderstood the video as it wasn't trying to imply that AMD had made driver improvements!
I think perhaps it's not "everyone else" that are mostly to blame for this confusion.
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This ^^^ they absolutely made it like it was drivers.

It wouldn't be the first time HUB had to correct an AMD GPU they pushed out and tried to gaslight everyone to save face, the 7900 GRE springs to mind, they pulled a reference 7900 GRE out of Chinese prebuild to review it as the globally launched 7900 GRE which AMD specifically stated WAS NOT THE SAME AS THE CHINESE MARKET 7900 GRE, the globally launched ones had faster memory and a higher power target making them faster.

HUB reviewed the Chinese one as the globally launched one and slammed it for being little better than the 7800 XT, everyone else had AIB cards that were 10 to 15% faster than his Chinese reference card, when people pointed this out to HUB he claimed it was their policy to benchmark only reference cards, which A is BS they do AIB cards all the time and B there was no reference global 7900 GRE, they are all AIB.
 
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I am posting this deal late, to truly reward forum members, but of course these deals are the lowest price globally for 9070 (£416 exc vat for a 9070 is $565) and 9070 XT (£466 exc vat is $633, cheapest in US is $699 !!!!), OcUK leads the way. Though this is 1pc per customer and UK ONLY, we expect the 500 units to sell out within 24-48hrs so please do be fast, get the wallet out, get your 9070 purchased and be gaming on it this week. :)


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PeegeeTips said:
Powercolor Reaper no longer in production:
"They're concentrating on their higher margin SKU's"
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We have plenty left at £499 on the 9070 Reaper:

www.overclockers.co.uk

PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 Reaper 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Order PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 Reaper 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.
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  • EAN: 4713436175780
  • MPN: RX9070 16G-A

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Gibbo said:
We have plenty left at £499 on the 9070 Reaper:

www.overclockers.co.uk

PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 Reaper 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Order PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 Reaper 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.
www.overclockers.co.uk www.overclockers.co.uk

PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 Reaper 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card
  • SKU: GRA-PWC-04020
  • EAN: 4713436175780
  • MPN: RX9070 16G-A

Boost Clock: 2520MHz, Memory: 16GB TBC MHz GDDR6, Stream Processors: 3584, RDNA 4, 4nm Process, AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 4

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It's a good price, thank you, but for a 6800XT i think i'd need the 9070XT to get a useful 50% increase.
 
Looks like AMD got it wrong again this gen when supposedly going for marketshare this time.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD deprioritizing flagship gaming GPUs: Jack Huynh talks new strategy against Nvidia in gaming market

The battle seems to be over before it starts.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

I think when he said he's an 80% guy he meant 8%.


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Joxeon said:
Looks like AMD got it wrong again this gen when supposedly going for marketshare this time.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD deprioritizing flagship gaming GPUs: Jack Huynh talks new strategy against Nvidia in gaming market

The battle seems to be over before it starts.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

I think when he said he's an 80% guy he meant 8%.


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All i'm getting is an advert for postimage "Free Image Posting" i'm assuming its not really free because its not showing me the image you're hosting, it is instead showing me that advert and it says "upgrade to premium"

Postimage is garbage, it does not work unless you give them money. And even then, probably not as you're not giving them enough money.

Use https://imgur.com/ Never had a problem with it.
 
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I don't doubt those numbers but how many of those Nvidia GPU's actually ended up in Chinese AI machines? Something tells me a lot of those GPU's did not end up in gaming PC's.

AMD release their financials tomorrow, i'm not expecting their gaming revenue halved vs last quarter.

@uscool do you have Postimage Premium?
 
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