Nurse arrested for murdering babies

Ayahuasca said:
They could still be right, but in this case, I’m not convinced by that expert witness alone.

It's also laughable to think that some of those on the panel don't have an axe to grind and aren't profiting from all of this in some way.
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I can't speak of the other 13 world leading experts, but Dr Shoo lee was motivated by an annoyance that his work was misrepresented and used to convict someone. He paid for his own travel and accomodation to the press conference. So you think it's laughable to think that they aren't all profiting from it but you don't have any evidence that they are? Ironically it is Dewi Evans that was paid extremely well for his work and had a financial motivation to say there's evidence babies were murdered.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
A single expert can absolutely be right against a group, that's how scientific progress often works.
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It should be pointed out though that this isn't a case of:

Bill says the sky is blue. But Tom, Jane, Fred, Steve, Hank, Todd, Robbo, Dex, Craig, Kelly, Sharon, Gary and Bret all say it's green.​

This is a case of

Bill says the sky is yellow based on his understanding of the leading study in the field done by Tom. But Tom says Bill has misunderstood the study and the sky is actually blue, and Jane, Fred, Steve, Hank, Todd, Robbo, Dex, Craig, Kelly, Sharon, Gary and Bret all agree.​
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It is an important detail.
 
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Eddie99 said:
I can't speak of the other 13 world leading experts, but Dr Shoo lee was motivated by an annoyance that his work was misrepresented and used to convict someone. He paid for his own travel and accomodation to the press conference. So you think it's laughable to think that they aren't all profiting from it but you don't have any evidence that they are?
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Dr Shoo Lee :cry: I'm guessing you missed his interview with The Times. Anyone who has read his papers would immediately recognise the claims he made in that interview as misguided and inappropriate. His own paper emphasised limitations that he disregards completely in interviews.

The work of his 'expert panel' has already been shown to be inadequate, given that barristers compiled a quick list of things that were entirely incorrect. Entire portions are not reflected in the paperwork at all and were effectively invented as a cause.
 
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This thing seems to have legs, I see ITV slapped out another documentary on this yesterday..

I see more barristers are getting behind it as well, this really does seem like a bodged case, not that it exonerates Letby IMO, it is worrying that some grave errors have been made, and with the very recent leaking of emails about the extent of the bacterial infections/sewage issue that scape goating everything on Letby would be a travesty to those babies harmed if the complete truth does not come out.

I've just quickly watched the documentary, I haven't seen any rebuttals yet (no doubt will be incoming).
 
It also said that the centre took on cases that should have been done at a more specialist centre. Only after the furore and a review was the centre downgraded. The review said the centre did not have the number or quality of staff to take on those types of babies. More a verdict on the previous Tory Govt cuts to services.
 
do_ron_ron said:
It also said that the centre took on cases that should have been done at a more specialist centre. Only after the furore and a review was the centre downgraded. The review said the centre did not have the number or quality of staff to take on those types of babies. More a verdict on the previous Tory Govt cuts to services.
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To be fair that story is not unusual across all level 2 NICUs across the country and it's continuing to worsen significantly under Labour.
 
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Minstadave said:
To be fair that story is not unusual across all level 2 NICUs across the country and it's continuing to worsen significantly under Labour.
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That's really not fair at all. The Conservatives trashed this country with their cuts. Labour just inherited a problem that the Conservatives knew was about to happen. I am not saying that Labour has managed it well, but that it really wasn't their problem.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
That's really not fair at all. The Conservatives trashed this country with their cuts. Labour just inherited a problem that the Conservatives knew was about to happen. I am not saying that Labour has managed it well, but that it really wasn't their problem.
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I work in the NHS and can tell you the cuts have deepend more than ever in the last year. Despite huge backlogs were cutting activity and staff.

I've not seen this level of panic about cost/cutting jobs before and I say that as a very anti-Tory doctor. We were hoping Labour would revitalise the NHS but it's been quite the opposite.
 
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Minstadave said:
I work in the NHS and can tell you the cuts have deepend more than ever in the last year. Despite huge backlogs were cutting activity and staff.

I've not seen this level of panic about cost/cutting jobs before and I say that as a very anti-Tory doctor. We were hoping Labour would revitalise the NHS but it's been quite the opposite.
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Then you fell for it again.

Labour in this guise are just the Tories with a different facade.

We had a chance of seeing what a genuine alternative would look like, but it was denigrated by the mainstream media and ruling class.

This is who the party are in government. They criminalise good people. They commit social murder. They further the Thatcherite project. They will die before they'll allow any actual left wing policies to exist again, and none of you have been able to articulate. Put your energies elsewhere. Join the new party, or the Greens. Get more involved in your union. Do some direct action.

If you want change to prevent the underfunding that has resulted in Lucy fiasco as well as all the other horrors in our criminally underfunded systems you have to do more than hope that the same right wingers that got us here will do the correct thing.
 
Minstadave said:
I work in the NHS and can tell you the cuts have deepend more than ever in the last year. Despite huge backlogs were cutting activity and staff.

I've not seen this level of panic about cost/cutting jobs before and I say that as a very anti-Tory doctor. We were hoping Labour would revitalise the NHS but it's been quite the opposite.
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Probably the only valid viewpoint is from the ground. I would equate the cuts to economics more then politics, for whatever reason right now money is more likely to increase in allocation towards war and weapons then medicine and treatments.
If people earn more, pay more tax then some of that revenue is helping the NHS but uk growth is poor so that would be most of the cause imo
 
silversurfer said:
Probably the only valid viewpoint is from the ground. I would equate the cuts to economics more then politics, for whatever reason right now money is more likely to increase in allocation towards war and weapons then medicine and treatments.
If people earn more, pay more tax then some of that revenue is helping the NHS but uk growth is poor so that would be most of the cause imo
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I reckon we should have a nationalised pharaceutical manufacturing company. My prescription wound dressing are quite expensive, I think £7 each, but and they're essentially the same material as a nappy and you can get a big bag of them for much less. I reckon there's profiteering going on in every facet. So why don't we cut out the profiteering by having a national manufacturing centre for pharma products?
 
hurfdurf said:
If you want change to prevent the underfunding that has resulted in Lucy fiasco as well as all the other horrors in our criminally underfunded systems you have to do more than hope that the same right wingers that got us here will do the correct thing.
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Pretty much sums up the problem :(
 
Minstadave said:
I work in the NHS and can tell you the cuts have deepend more than ever in the last year. Despite huge backlogs were cutting activity and staff.

I've not seen this level of panic about cost/cutting jobs before and I say that as a very anti-Tory doctor. We were hoping Labour would revitalise the NHS but it's been quite the opposite.
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You haven't mentioned this which we've all been offered, never seen this happen before.
Oh no it's definitely not voluntary redundacy.

www.england.nhs.uk

NHS England » NHS England guidance on Mutually Agreed Resignation Schemes (MARS)

For NHS trusts, foundation trusts and integrated care boards.
www.england.nhs.uk www.england.nhs.uk
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
I reckon we should have a nationalised pharaceutical manufacturing company. My prescription wound dressing are quite expensive, I think £7 each, but and they're essentially the same material as a nappy and you can get a big bag of them for much less. I reckon there's profiteering going on in every facet. So why don't we cut out the profiteering by having a national manufacturing centre for pharma products?
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The problem is that most pharmaceuticals are likely made/owned by big multinational companies. Even those based in the UK are more global in nature.
This means any nationalised or publicly owned manufacturing would still have to purchase the manufacturing rights or IP from the private companies... and it ain't gonna be cheap.
 
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