More should be made of the chemical khazi positioning - if your sat on it your blocking everyone's view through the only window. Your only option would be to peer over their shoulder as they're going about it. I don't care how interesting the titanic would be to look at, its going to take the shine off.
Titanic submersible confirmed destroyed with loss of all five souls onboard.
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Yea we watched that last night, how on earth he could brush off those popping/banging/cracking sounds as carbon fibres were breaking as "the hull is seasoning" and "there's nothing to worry about" is mind boggling. It just shows, no matter how intelligent you are it can all be undone by hubris and bloody mindedness.
I think his intelligence is overstated. His extreme family wealth just paid for all his education, which if you pay enough you get the grades. Its the American way.
Just a bit of work hardening mate.
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To the surprise of nobody but Stockton and the remaining Oceangate team
The Oceangate founder used to say nobody achieves greatness or makes breakthrough technology without breaking the rules and pushing boundaries
In a sense, historically he may have been correct, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people died for it - look how many people died trying to invent planes as an example. Another example is nuclear power, many people died by breaking the rules trying to quickly learn about nuclear energy. How many people died building boats and trying to explore the world.
And the real issue here is failure to disclose the risks with the paying passengers. If you want to take risks and kill yourself, that's fine but don't take unsuspecting civilians with you
In a sense, historically he may have been correct, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people died for it - look how many people died trying to invent planes as an example. Another example is nuclear power, many people died by breaking the rules trying to quickly learn about nuclear energy. How many people died building boats and trying to explore the world.
And the real issue here is failure to disclose the risks with the paying passengers. If you want to take risks and kill yourself, that's fine but don't take unsuspecting civilians with you
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Take a drink every time he says 'right'
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Lots of people died for the space programmes too.
I think eventually a paying space passenger will die on either Elon or Bezos rockets too.
The difference there is risk management. Or the lack thereof.
Sometimes things do go wrong, but ignoring a technical expert when they say further tests are nessesary isn’t just unforseen circumstance.. It's criminal negligence.
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Oh I completely agree. I think the report says, or at least implies, that if Stockton was still alive they'd be pursuing criminal charges.
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And the man was a ******* idiot.
Carbon fibre dies by ingress at those pressures and it turned out they suspected it might and had build in safety procedures to listen for the cracking. But what was totally inexcusable was he not only ignored the results of the "listening devices" but there were loud cracking sounds audible to the passengers, and he ignored those too. He described the hull as "settling in". What sort of moron does that? You don't set out on cutting edge engineering project and ignore the engineering. It was absolutely inevitable this was going to end badly. In one sense it's a shame he died, because if anyone deserved to suffer for his crimes, then it's him.
Or, you know, maybe listened to the advice of the chief engineer he fired for saying more testing was required before it's even tested with humans on board, nevermind going on a mission with humans on board.
They say that health and safety rules are often written in blood and this is a perfect example. People like this absolute melt are the reason we have such stringent H&S rules in the first place.
I'm still confused about the whole "mission" thing. Missions attempt to achieve something, all this was doing was taking people down to the titanic for some photos and some ooooh and aaaaah moments, I'm pretty sure that's called an excursion, not a mission.
His loophole of calling his customers "mission experts" is, to be frank, quite hilarious.
I'm still confused about the whole "mission" thing. Missions attempt to achieve something, all this was doing was taking people down to the titanic for some photos and some ooooh and aaaaah moments, I'm pretty sure that's called an excursion, not a mission.
His loophole of calling his customers "mission experts" is, to be frank, quite hilarious.
The guy clearly thought he was correct all along, after all, he was putting himself in the device and if he kept it to just himself it wouldn't have been so tragic.
But looking to get money off rich thrill seekers is about the time you need a second opinion that you don't and can't throw in the bin.
Would be nice to think he had enough notice and time to have regrets but most likely he was painlessly pulverised into fish flakes.
But looking to get money off rich thrill seekers is about the time you need a second opinion that you don't and can't throw in the bin.
Would be nice to think he had enough notice and time to have regrets but most likely he was painlessly pulverised into fish flakes.
The mission for Stockton was not achieving something new with the titanic, his mission was to make money out of his bonkers design ideas.