Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)
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In your opinion of course, right?
Sure.
But I've also never seen any evidence it will lead to cheaper electricity. Just a few companies trying to imply it will.
But even if it did, I don't agree with it. The cost should be evenly spread between everyone. I'd rather see an average go down slightly, than some particular areas gets significant discounts.
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It’s not discounts though is it? It would reflect eh real energy costs in those areas.
People in say Scotland are massively overpaying for the energy produced by the infrastructure they host in their local area.
If zonal pricing was a thing, Scottish people would have the cheapest energy in Europe. Instead they are subsidising those that live in London and the south east who host next to no infrastructure.
Not only that, a flat energy price encourage energy intensive infrastructure to be built in the wrong place (e.g. all the data centres stuffed in the south east).
People in say Scotland are massively overpaying for the energy produced by the infrastructure they host in their local area.
If zonal pricing was a thing, Scottish people would have the cheapest energy in Europe. Instead they are subsidising those that live in London and the south east who host next to no infrastructure.
Not only that, a flat energy price encourage energy intensive infrastructure to be built in the wrong place (e.g. all the data centres stuffed in the south east).
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Discounts or not, I mean lower bills.
Even though Scotland has abundant wind energy, those turbines were not built by Scotland. Also due to sparse population, it actually has higher energy transmission costs than in places like the south.
I very much doubt companies are planning multi-decade data centres based on some zonal pricing that may not exist by the time the next government gets in power.
Even though Scotland has abundant wind energy, those turbines were not built by Scotland. Also due to sparse population, it actually has higher energy transmission costs than in places like the south.
I very much doubt companies are planning multi-decade data centres based on some zonal pricing that may not exist by the time the next government gets in power.
I concur, private companies will always just rinse more when they can.
Given you want the unit cost spread evenly, does that opinion extend to the Standing Charge as well?
Going by your region (Hampshire) Vs Scotland the current SC for electricity is approximately:
South East (yours) - 45p/day
Scotland (average) - 57p/day
You would be happy to average this out as well?
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Actually yes, those turbines were built by Scotland. The Scottish governments has had very different policy to rUK when it comes to wind turbines and that is what has enabled all of that capacity to be built.
They don’t get any of the benefits though because they have the privilege of subsidising rUK’s costs.
By comparison, onshore wind in England was banned by the Conservative government and is something Labour has just lifted.
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The Scottish government does not own any wind farms I think he means. Most of it is owned by foreign companies. Even community projects are often owned by people abroad.
The building of the turbines was entirely enabled by the Scottish government and their policies, they have spearheaded renewables in the U.K.
To suggest otherwise isn’t giving credit where credit is due and the poster didn’t reference ownership.
It's irrelevant though. The Scottish people/government don't own them. If they did they could choose to use the income to lower energy costs for those in Scotland, as it is they just collect the tax revenue.
If course it’s relevant, it’s their policies that have enabled all of the onshore infrastructure to be built and it’s the onshore infrastructure that feeds into the local grid and consumed by Scottish bill payers. If they didn’t have those policies, it wouldn’t have been built.
The offshore wind farms are U.K. government, they control licensing for the seabed and the offshore units feed into the national grid not the local grid.
The offshore wind farms are U.K. government, they control licensing for the seabed and the offshore units feed into the national grid not the local grid.
They enabled it yes, they enabled it to be mostly owned by private companies and individuals who have no desire to sell energy at 5p per unit to Scottish people. So yes they had policies, but not policies to enable these wind farms to provide cheap energy to Scottish people.
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Yes. Though standing charges are a scam at this point. They were put up to cover the costs of businesses going under. That's been repaid already, they should be reduced considerably.
But now of course, there's "investment" that needs paying for.
Once everyone gets used to the higher prices, they rarely come back to what they were originally. It would be the same with Zonal pricing. It would just mean rinsing more affluent areas a bit more.
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I can see both sides of the argument here. but for me I think what swings my view in favour of zonal pricing in principle is that at the moment there is no incentive for nimbys to shut the hell up. they can argue not in my back yard all day and yet still get the benefit of the more progressive areas which embrace renewable generation, that does not seem right to me.
Also... whilst I don't have some man crush on Greg Jackson or anything as far as actual genuine CEOs of mega corporations go he seems way more socially inclined than any others I can think of... and ultimately if he says zonal is good and centrica say it's bad....... my gut feeling is to assume it's good
that said it wouldnt be done fairly.... I saw the suggested zones and they were BS and it was rigged to still make sure London got a good deal, instead shafting east Anglia by lumping us with them .
tldr what ever system is bought in it will still be rigged to make sure politically important areas get the cream just like levelling up the north money was used on roads in london.
Also... whilst I don't have some man crush on Greg Jackson or anything as far as actual genuine CEOs of mega corporations go he seems way more socially inclined than any others I can think of... and ultimately if he says zonal is good and centrica say it's bad....... my gut feeling is to assume it's good
that said it wouldnt be done fairly.... I saw the suggested zones and they were BS and it was rigged to still make sure London got a good deal, instead shafting east Anglia by lumping us with them .
tldr what ever system is bought in it will still be rigged to make sure politically important areas get the cream just like levelling up the north money was used on roads in london.
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Why do you feel it would "rinse affluent areas"?
What makes areas deemed affluent more open to price increases than less affluent areas?
Does anybody on here have any experience with fuse energy? They are currently offering 21.3 per kWh and 47.3p standing charge for electricity, seems quite decent to me as octopus tracker seems to average around 22p per kWh and the standing charge is 57p with them.
They have quoted me the cheapest too..
Unit rate 23.08p per kWh
Standing charge 41.30p per day
Vs. British Gas
Unit rate 25.31p per kWh
Standing charge 48.56p per day
I’m currently on
Any Time unit rate 23.58p per kWh
Standing charge 46.94p per day