Titanic submersible confirmed destroyed with loss of all five souls onboard.

The object of the exercise was not to go and see the Titanic, which has been possible for years in properly designed subs. The object was to do so cheaply.....

Turns out it's just one of those things you really don't want to be trying to skimp on costs.
 
The object of the exercise was not to go and see the Titanic, which has been possible for years in properly designed subs. The object was to do so cheaply.....

Turns out it's just one of those things you really don't want to be trying to skimp on costs.
The crazy thing is the billionaire who went a long with it.
 
The crazy thing is the billionaire who went a long with it.

Well, they're at it again.


Perhaps sacrificing billionaires to the ocean gods provides some benefit to humanity? I dunno....

I daresay before long billionaires will be subjecting themselves to fiery deaths in badly designed rockets attempting to prove.......something.

Glad I'm not a billionaire to be honest.
 
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That design doesn't look like it'll make it through a rigorous testing regime. The proven ones have such small windows, not because people want it that way but because its structurally necessary. Also the name Abyssal sounds too much like Abysmal
 
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Well, they're at it again
I think these guys know what they're doing though


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I think these guys know what they're doing though


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To be fair, I'm sure you're right. That being said, Oceangate set the bar rather low.

It's still an incredibly hostile environment though and will always entail a rather large degree of risk.
 
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The guy clearly thought he was correct all along, after all, he was putting himself in the device and if he kept it to just himself it wouldn't have been so tragic.

But looking to get money off rich thrill seekers is about the time you need a second opinion that you don't and can't throw in the bin.

Would be nice to think he had enough notice and time to have regrets but most likely he was painlessly pulverised into fish flakes.

It's so difficult to work out what he was thinking, because he was so ******* stupid.

They repeatedly heard cracking and bangs during dives. How can anyone ever think that is OK??? It baffles me.

As you rightly say, he obviously believed it was OK, because he went down in the thing himself. But how could anyone think that? Honestly, that is a level of stupidity that is just mind blowing. I don't get it at all. How?

Do you think it's possible that one or more of his engineers lied to him and he's the scapegoat?? Not saying he is innocent, but how does a Princeton University graduate believe that cracking in a pressure hull is OK?
 
It's so difficult to work out what he was thinking, because he was so ******* stupid.

They repeatedly heard cracking and bangs during dives. How can anyone ever think that is OK??? It baffles me.

As you rightly say, he obviously believed it was OK, because he went down in the thing himself. But how could anyone think that? Honestly, that is a level of stupidity that is just mind blowing. I don't get it at all. How?

Do you think it's possible that one or more of his engineers lied to him and he's the scapegoat?? Not saying he is innocent, but how does a Princeton University graduate believe that cracking in a pressure hull is OK?

Ego - the inability to accept you’re wrong.
 
And this:


True enough.

I worked for a guy who was absolutely hopeless at his job but he had no idea he was hopeless. He would often tell stories from his life that he thought proved how clueless other people were, when in fact all they did was prove how clueless he was. I mean, not only hopeless but he offered the proof as well!!!
 
They repeatedly heard cracking and bangs during dives. How can anyone ever think that is OK??? It baffles me.
What I don't understand in this is it's not just him in the sub. One person could perhaps ignore loud structural sounds that suggest something is giving way, but multiple people in the sub? Sure risk tolerance varies by individual but if the vast majority of us were there and started to hear noises like that surely we'd be insisting that we return to surface.
 
Most of the people in the sub probably didn't think too much of it, I suspect everyone has seen the films where the subs creak and groan a bit as they submerge and if the "expert" with you is saying "that's normal" a lot of people will take his word for it on the assumption that the sub is properly designed, built and tested because every other mode of transport they've purchased a ride in has had to adhere to established safety standards and proven it's suitability for passengers.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of them even thought the noises were deliberate to make the otherwise fairly boring ride in a small, cramped tube with a bucket for a potty a bit more exciting.
 
True enough.

I worked for a guy who was absolutely hopeless at his job but he had no idea he was hopeless. He would often tell stories from his life that he thought proved how clueless other people were, when in fact all they did was prove how clueless he was. I mean, not only hopeless but he offered the proof as well!!!

Was his name Nasher by any chance?
 
Most of the people in the sub probably didn't think too much of it, I suspect everyone has seen the films where the subs creak and groan a bit as they submerge and if the "expert" with you is saying "that's normal" a lot of people will take his word for it on the assumption that the sub is properly designed, built and tested because every other mode of transport they've purchased a ride in has had to adhere to established safety standards and proven it's suitability for passengers.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of them even thought the noises were deliberate to make the otherwise fairly boring ride in a small, cramped tube with a bucket for a potty a bit more exciting.
Doesn't make sense to me. These people are billionaires, which you would think would suggest some degree of intelligence, risk awareness and questioning behaviour. But then even if I was a billionaire I wouldn't be signing up for a ride down to 10000 feet under the sea. These particular people self select don't they and even amongst billionaires are a very small minority.
 
Doesn't make sense to me. These people are billionaires, which you would think would suggest some degree of intelligence, risk awareness and questioning behaviour. But then even if I was a billionaire I wouldn't be signing up for a ride down to 10000 feet under the sea. These particular people self select don't they and even amongst billionaires are a very small minority.

The answer to your question is explained in this clip
 
Doesn't make sense to me. These people are billionaires, which you would think would suggest some degree of intelligence, risk awareness and questioning behaviour. But then even if I was a billionaire I wouldn't be signing up for a ride down to 10000 feet under the sea. These particular people self select don't they and even amongst billionaires are a very small minority.
Being a billionaire does not equate to intelligence in general. If it did we would have far more scientists, engineers and medical professionals who are rich in comparison to those who got their money from flipping properties or failing upwards as an exec at various companies*.

A lot of billionaires are there at least partly (largely) through luck, such as getting a deal at the right time.
Some of the most intelligent people in the world on one subject can be utterly idiotic on a lot of others, it's one of the reasons you shouldn't for example take medical advice from someone just because they're good at something else, likewise some of the best surgeons shouldn't be trusted to hang a picture frame when it comes to engineering.
There is also an element of if you're really good at something, unless you've got people who are willing to be truthful with out, and you're willing to listen to them, it's very easy to think your performance in your speciality translates into other, often completely unrelated areas. it's one of the reasons every major profession tends to have specialities, for example pretty much every part of the body has it's own specialists, and in law there are dozens/hundreds of specialisations often on very niche aspects).

If anything once you hit a certain level of wealth there is an issue with becoming divorced from the real world and the risks.
So they book an "exciting" and "dangerous but safe" event to get a thrill doing something that the average pleb could never do, and forget to check to see if it's regulated and what experts who have no financial involvement think of the safety.


*There are an awful lot of top paid CEO's who if you look at the companies they were in before, often have a history of getting out and moving up just before their policies killed the company. You can maximise shareholder return for the next quarter by doing stuff that will cripple the company in 2-5 years such as doing away with the CS that kept people coming back, or killing the R&D that kept the company current or ahead of it's competition.
 
True enough.

I worked for a guy who was absolutely hopeless at his job but he had no idea he was hopeless. He would often tell stories from his life that he thought proved how clueless other people were, when in fact all they did was prove how clueless he was. I mean, not only hopeless but he offered the proof as well!!!
Reminds me of a phrase someone told me which was:

"Stand there and look stupid instead of opening your mouth and proving it. "

Or something like that, not sure if it was after one of my meetings though. :D

Edit: Looks like a variation of this.

It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” ― Mark Twain
 
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