Your bad driving encounters/irritations

Demon said:
IME camera based detection is 'good' at spotting the signs/reading the limits but they usually lack any awareness/context of the sign, so picking up badly placed sideroad / slip road speed limits is one of the problems, most haven't solved that well..
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Mine is usually pretty good, but there is one section near me where the old road was 50 and the new replacement road 70 and it persistently displays 50, occasionally it'll flick up 70 on the repeater signs and then immediately revert to 50 for some reason.
 
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The standard speed limits - outside of any roadwork/emergency/smart situation should be correct in an online database that google-maps/car-nav systems can access,
(if the speed camera 'knows' them, then communicate that)

I mean I'd pay for the likes of a BMW connected subscription/other if they were going to reliably offer speeds

instead we have the like of google & co - reading signs with AI. (maybe other countries have a sensible system)
 
Why not just have the current system, where the ultimate responsibility is with the human driver to determine the speed limit? I treat speed limit identification much as I do any driver assist, such as parking sensors....they are there as an aid, not be slavishly relied upon. They don't have to be absolutely infallible to be useful.
 
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I've noticed on mine (Tesla model 3, relevant I promise :cry: ) sometimes shows what it's seem on side roads. It's mostly pretty good, but I do second guess myself when in unfamiliar areas, especially this time of year when there's large bushes (:p) blocking signs. It's especially bad on roads that look like 40, but are actually 30 with no signs (or worse used to be 40 and have since been dropped to 30).
 
Conscript said:
Why not just have the current system, where the ultimate responsibility is with the human driver to determine the speed limit?
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if the automatic systems can't be 100% - the whole autopilot / level5 stretch goal is held back ? even on motorway convoy driving system tories had discussed,
systems responsibility would need some careful legal structure.

on features of current systems waze looks interesting, and I need to try it, as it appears it will give you a warning of upcoming signage/speed-changes.

[google maps system might be better if it was evaluating average speed other drivers were adopting in temporal period / location ]
 
jpaul said:
if the automatic systems can't be 100% - the whole autopilot / level5 stretch goal is held back ? even on motorway convoy driving system tories had discussed,
systems responsibility would need some careful legal structure.

on features of current systems waze looks interesting, and I need to try it, as it appears it will give you a warning of upcoming signage/speed-changes.

[google maps system might be better if it was evaluating average speed other drivers were adopting in temporal period / location ]
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Whilst the feature does exist it's not perfect and doesn't show ALL speed changes. The ones I've seen only warn of limits that are lower than the one you're in. ie moving from a NSL to 40/30mph zones.

But again even those aren't completely mapped out.


My issue with automated systems is that it leads to complacency within the user.
 
Resident said:
Whilst the feature does exist it's not perfect and doesn't show ALL speed changes. The ones I've seen only warn of limits that are lower than the one you're in. ie moving from a NSL to 40/30mph zones.

But again even those aren't completely mapped out.


My issue with automated systems is that it leads to complacency within the user.
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It also doesn't always flag the change in limit, there's a couple of NSL to 30 limits on my commute sometimes Waze will flag them sometimes it won't
 
Guess the heatwave got some people today. First one was a Merc A Class on the A5103 as I was heading to Manchester. 30 mph road. I switch lanes after doing my checks to overtake the slower traffic. Cue in 4-5 seconds later this self entitled entity arrives at god knows what speed and flashing lights. Continues to tailgate and comes very close to my car's rear at the next set of lights. I moved back at the first opportunity for this entity to go and trouble someone else.

All this rush only for this guy to stop at the lights whereas I could continue on my route.

Second one was close to home. I slowed down at a junction as any level headed person would to take a right (my daily run). The Civic behind me blared his horn which made me annoyed and amused at the same time. This guy went on his way cussing lol.
 
Driving up the A1 to Huntingdon last night where it is all limited to 50 average speed zones - entirely quiet, I'm doing 52 indicated which is usually ~49 according to satnav.

Old man in a Qashqai appears and indicates to overtake (2 lane road) then pulls out and... Takes about 60 seconds to pull perfectly into my blind spot. At this point it's been a couple of minutes and he is still hovering under the speed limit alongside me. I slowed to 48 in order for him to get past and not cling to me, he failed to maintain a solid overtaking speed of 50mph.

I just don't get it. Overtake me, or don't, but I am in the left lane aiming for exactly the speed limit - you have so many options other than loitering where I can't see you or predict your movements.
 
That reminds me of a recent drive with a friend driving on an motorway and he did a very slow overtake of an articulated lorry. I told him how dangerous it is to be in the blind spot of a lorry for an incredibly long time. His response was “yeah well if we crash it will be his fault”. I said if we crash whose fault it is won’t be our problem”.

A few miles later he was in the left lane as we passed a slip road. There was a white van coming up the slip road and yet again we were in its blind spot. I advised the friend to move over to the overtaking lane as it was empty, just to give the van some room. Again his response was utterly bewildering… “I have right of way, he has to yield to me”. Not if he doesn’t ******* see you he doesn’t.

At this point my friend said I should **** up criticising his driving and I told him I wouldn’t be so critical if he wasn’t so **** at it :)
 
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ICDP said:
That reminds me of a recent drive with a friend driving on an motorway and he did a very slow overtake of an articulated lorry. I told him how dangerous it is to be in the blind spot of a lorry for an incredibly long time. His response was “yeah well if we crash it will be his fault”. I said if we crash whose fault it is won’t be our problem”.

A few miles later he was in the left lane as we passed a slip road. There was a white van coming up the slip road and yet again we were in its blind spot. I advised the friend to move over to the overtaking lane as it was empty, just to give the van some room. Again his response was utterly bewildering… “I have right of way, he has to yield to me”. Not if he doesn’t ******* see you he doesn’t.

At this point my friend said I should **** up criticising his driving and I told him I wouldn’t be so critical if he wasn’t so **** at it :)
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After seeing a lorry squash a car between itself and the central reservation then carry on as it nothing happened, I always stay either Infront or behind wagons. Not worth the risk imo, and a quick overtake is far safer than a slow one.
 
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After seeing a lorry squash a car between itself and the central reservation then carry on as it nothing happened, I always stay either Infront or behind wagons. Not worth the risk imo, and a quick overtake is far safer than a slow one.
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Yeah, saw the same as two morons drove up the inside of an articulated lorry indicating to take a left at a roundabout. To anyone with a bit of sense you could see he only swung out to the outer lane to give himself room to turn in. But these two idiots thought “ooh a gap” and of course it wasn’t a gap for very long. Both were complete write offs but no injuries thankfully.

I did explain to the friend that a blind spot on trucks and vans was massive and that blind spot literally means they can’t see you. They can’t give right of way if they don’t know you are there.
 
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I angered a BMW driver yesterday, by daring to move into "his" lane.

Joined the dual carriageway behind another pensioner who thought doing so at 45MPH was perfectly acceptable. I'd already anticipated it halfway along the slip road, and given myself some room. Checked the outside lane as we joined, and quite a way back saw one of those BMW iX things with the horrendous grille (hard to miss). Far enough back that I had plenty of time and at a glance he didn't appear to be closing quickly enough for it to be an issue (perhaps my mistake for assuming he wouldn't be speeding), so I accelerated swiftly and moved out.

Before I knew it he'd sped right up behind me, flashing his lights and gesticulating. I passed the pensioner and pulled back in, but I was already doing 70MPH before I pulled out anyway. Mr. Beaver-Faced Grille sped off to sit up the rear of another car further up.

A couple of miles down the road, the dual carriageway merges with another. He wasn't that far ahead, and I witnessed him join the new DC, swerve straight across 3 lanes of traffic to plant himself in the outside lane, cutting close in front of someone who was already there. So it seems he is okay with pulling out in front of people, as long as it's only him that does it.
 
See this so much - people joining a 2/3/4 lane road who you can see are aiming for the right hand lane regardless of speeds around them.

This morning I turned from a 30 road onto a 20, where normally everyone drives at 20-22 indicated and there are a couple of traffic calming give way spots. Person in front of me, can only assume a pensioner or someone driving very carefully because they couldn't see properly. They were doing 13-16mph, driving in the centre of the road, braking randomly for no reason, all of it. We turned onto a much wider road which is dead straight and wide enough to pass oncoming traffic safely. Driver pulled straight into the middle of the road and periodically braked to swerve around the people he'd blocked coming the other way.

I could see a phone at eye height in the windscreen so was tempted to report them for either not paying attention or being entirely unable to manage a VW Polo at sub-20mph speeds.
 
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Rhinefeild ornamental drive in the new forest, met an HGV coming down, it's a single track road with no passing places, some gravel to the sides you can drop onto, not really sure why he was coming down it, doesn't really look suitable for an HGV.
I slowed, looking for somewhere I could drop off the tarmac onto the gravel, having just missed a nice bit.
He's still flying towards us and then stops a bit abruptly shaking his head.
I was looking for somewhere, had slowed and just didn't want to damage our tyres.
I dropped off the tarmac, didn't have much choice, but it kind of annoyed me he was aggressive like this, especially as a professional driver. We had some words, obviously pointless....and carried on.
Continuing up the drive, he'd wrecked havoc on the trees, saw one branch around 15ft long ripped off an oak tree.

Even the kids asked me, why he drove at us like that!
 
rodders said:
Rhinefeild ornamental drive in the new forest, met an HGV coming down, it's a single track road with no passing places, some gravel to the sides you can drop onto, not really sure why he was coming down it, doesn't really look suitable for an HGV.
I slowed, looking for somewhere I could drop off the tarmac onto the gravel, having just missed a nice bit.
He's still flying towards us and then stops a bit abruptly shaking his head.
I was looking for somewhere, had slowed and just didn't want to damage our tyres.
I dropped off the tarmac, didn't have much choice, but it kind of annoyed me he was aggressive like this, especially as a professional driver. We had some words, obviously pointless....and carried on.
Continuing up the drive, he'd wrecked havoc on the trees, saw one branch around 15ft long ripped off an oak tree.

Even the kids asked me, why he drove at us like that!
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Did you get any vehicle details or better, dashcam footage?

If so submit a complaint to the company, police and the traffic commissioner, making sure the complaint to the company mentions the complaint also being forwarded to TC/Police.

PSV and HGV use the same road suitability mapping software and I've just logged in and checked, Rhinefield OD is marked in RED as do not use for large vehicles (PCV/HGV). The software also mentions it's signposted as not suitable for HGV.

Personally I'd have stood my ground and called the police.

  • Careless & Inconsiderate driving
  • Contravention of posted signage
  • Criminal damage
Three charges he could face if reported.

The likelihood is that he was behind schedule and decided to use it as a shortcut.
 
I have it on dashcam.

I suspect you are right about why he went that way, there was a bit of traffic around. We were doing the same, just the opposite direction (obviously)
He did have orange lights flashing on the front, he had a tree log carrying trailer, but it wasn't loaded, so I doubt he was doing any work for them at that time and couldn't see any tree work going on.
 
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