What to go for next year? Will we get a RX 9090XT/XTX? Will Nvidia ditch the 12VHPWR?

[deviation]

So, I'm at a bit of a crossroads, next year I plan on treating myself to a 9800X3D, B850, 64GB ram, then afterwards, a new high end GPU.

I've always fancied having the best, for once - I know that I could get a 9950X3D, but this is just for gaming so that seems like money wasted that could go towards the GPU; anyway, I did fancy going for a 5090, but the 12VHPWR scares me, a lot.
I know that AMD, luckily does not use the 12VHPWR, and I'm all for having multiple 8pin's over a single 12VHPWR - I honestly could not care less about how it looks, but fire, fire I care about!

So my 2 questions are, is there any valid proof, source wise, that we will or wont get a RX 9090XT/XTX - as I remember hearing that AMD didn't plan on releasing a top tier rival card this generation? Has this been confirmed, or was it purely hearsay? As I would happily have an AMD card, if it came closer to a 5090, than the disappointing 7900XTX versus 4090 generation. I would happily pay close to the same money as a 5090, if AMD could could pull it out of the bag, like the old days.

Do we know anything regarding if Nvidia will ditch the 12VHPWR for the 6XXX generation? Or if they plan on using multiple lower power connectors, to lower the risk? As I would be whiling to wait until a bit longer if there's information regarding the 6XXX series.

I know both questions are a bit "how longs a peace of string", but I just wondered if there was any legitmate information circulating, that isn't just from someone on Twitter claiming to be a 'known leaker'

It would be nice to build an overkill system that would hopefully last say, 5 years at 4K, I'm more than happy to use DLSS, multi frame generation and reflex as required, in order to keep the highest graphical fidelity.

Do you think it would be a bad idea to buy a 5090 at full price towards the end of next year? Regardless of whether a 6090 comes out, it surely wouldn't be until mid 2027, and at the rate the prices are going, will be knocking on 3K?

Thanks for any input, I'm completely open to either brand, but the more than I read about these 12VHPWR cables starting to cook, the more I worry - it was only the other day, that I red on here, that someone had one start to melt!

 

[VRDoctor]

than the disappointing 7900XTX versus 4090 generation.

7900xtx is a stonking card for the money.

 

[Quartz]

Next year should see the release of Arc Celestial. Performance is, of course, utterly unknown, but according to this Reddit thread:

Xe3 goes even further. Maxing out all the topology enumeration bits would result in a ludicrously large 256 Xe Core configuration with 32768 FP32 lanes. That’s even larger than Nvidia’s RTX 5090, which “only” has 21760 FP32 lanes.

So possibly ~50% faster than a 5090?

 

[deviation]

7900xtx is a stonking card for the money.

No FSR4 support, and it's old now, by the time I get one, it'll be 4 years old
I want modern features if I'm going for an AMD, and it has to be a powerhouse.

 

[deviation]

Next year should see the release of Arc Celestial. Performance is, of course, utterly unknown, but according to this Reddit thread:

So possibly ~50% faster than a 5090?

Thanks, however, understandably, I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm open to buying one if it really does deliver what they say
I've no brand loyalty.

 

[tommybhoy]

No and no, there is zero info on what's coming next but doubt the 16v will be dropped.

The 7900XT was competing with the 4080 not the 90.

Also 9800X3D will be replaced next year too, so you'll be looking for next year's variant.

 

[Firegod]

I know that AMD, luckily does not use the 12VHPWR, and I'm all for having multiple 8pin's over a single 12VHPWR - I honestly could not care less about how it looks, but fire, fire I care about!

There are two cards from Sapphire and ASRock that use that connector. And as far as I know there have been no problems with it on the AMD GPU, most likely due to the lower power draw.

 

[Tetras]

So my 2 questions are, is there any valid proof, source wise, that we will or wont get a RX 9090XT/XTX - as I remember hearing that AMD didn't plan on releasing a top tier rival card this generation? Has this been confirmed, or was it purely hearsay? As I would happily have an AMD card, if it came closer to a 5090, than the disappointing 7900XTX versus 4090 generation. I would happily pay close to the same money as a 5090, if AMD could could pull it out of the bag, like the old days.

AMD have said all along they planned to do..., exactly what they did (with RDNA4).

There have been rumours before they were going to do a higher-end card or just a 9070 XT with more memory, but they've been dismissed.

Personally, I suspect if one of these was coming, it'd already be out by now. That said, if nvidia release the rumoured Super versions with the higher VRAM, I'd imagine AMD will be tempted to do something.

Do we know anything regarding if Nvidia will ditch the 12VHPWR for the 6XXX generation? Or if they plan on using multiple lower power connectors, to lower the risk? As I would be whiling to wait until a bit longer if there's information regarding the 6XXX series.

Very unlikely, they seem wedded to these things.

 

[deviation]

No and no, there is zero info on what's coming next but doubt the 16v will be dropped.

The 7900XT was competing with the 4080 not the 90.

Also 9800X3D will be replaced next year too, so you'll be looking for next year's variant.

I never mentioned the 7900XT? Only the XTX, then I mentioned the possibility of a 9090XT/XTX that could be a potential rival to the 5090.
I might still go for the 9800X3D next year, as it'll be even cheaper, either way I can't loose on that one, if they release a newer model for the same price range

 

[deviation]

There are two cards from Sapphire and ASRock that use that connector. And as far as I know there have been no problems with it on the AMD GPU, most likely due to the lower power draw.

Oh really? I'd hoped it was patented to Nvidia

AMD have said all along they planned to do..., exactly what they did (with RDNA4).

There have been rumours before they were going to do a higher-end card or just a 9070 XT with more memory, but they've been dismissed.

Personally, I suspect if one of these was coming, it'd already be out by now. That said, if nvidia release the rumoured Super versions with the higher VRAM, I'd imagine AMD will be tempted to do something.

Very unlikely, they seem wedded to these things.

So what I heard about the 9070XT being the top model, was true then Well that's that out of the question then

Yes, that was why I was wondering if they were potentially holding out to see Nvidia's cards first, then drop a RX 9080XT or 9090XT/XTX.

Shame, so I guess it's fire hazard 12VHPWR for me then!

 

[Tetras]

Yes, that was why I was wondering if they were potentially holding out to see Nvidia's cards first, then drop a RX 9080XT or 9090XT/XTX.

Yeah, I wasn't thinking about that. Just literally doubling the memory capacity with a clamshell the same way they did it with the 9060 XT.

Nvidia is doing this with higher density memory dies, but I'm not sure AMD can, because they're still using GDDR6.

So what I heard about the 9070XT being the top model, was true then Well that's that out of the question then

That's because the die is believed to be the largest RDNA4 die that AMD possess, so they couldn't make a 9080/9090 without more engineering and that causes noise, which leads to rumours and...

 

[deviation]

Yeah, I wasn't thinking about that. Just literally doubling the memory capacity with a clamshell the same way they did it with the 9060 XT.

Nvidia is doing this with higher density memory dies, but I'm not sure AMD can, because they're still using GDDR6.

That's because the die is believed to be the largest RDNA4 die that AMD possess, so they couldn't make a 9080/9090 without more engineering and that causes noise, which leads to rumours and...

It's a shame, I'd love to see another 7900XTX card, but one that would actually match the top tier Nvidia card this time. I'd happily give AMD the same money.
Yeah, those GDDR7 RX 9090XT/XTX rumours weren't true in the end, that would have been great to see! Even if it didn't match Nvidia, it would at the very least, give them a bit of a fright and show that they need to give us a bit more for our money!

Oh I see, I didn't realise that, die wise. Thanks for that, makes perfect sense now!

 

[tommybhoy]

I never mentioned the 7900XT? Only the XTX, then I mentioned the possibility of a 9090XT/XTX that could be a potential rival to the 5090.
I might still go for the 9800X3D next year, as it'll be even cheaper, either way I can't loose on that one, if they release a newer model for the same price range

Typo, should have been XTX, XTX V 4080, there was no AMD 90 competitor.

 

[deviation]

Typo, should have been XTX, XTX V 4080, there was no AMD 90 competitor.

Ah fair enough
Yep, and that's such a shame The 7900XTX was basically a proper 7800XT or 7900XT at best. But worlds apart from a 4090!

 

[tommybhoy]

Ah fair enough
Yep, and that's such a shame The 7900XTX was basically a proper 7800XT or 7900XT at best. But worlds apart from a 4090!

I returned a 4090 and bought an XTX and saved £750, others in here done the same, out with heavy RT, the XTX doesn't run out of vram and is equal to or faster than a 4080S for a whole lot less, my point being it never was a 4090 competitor.

As AFMF support was rolled out to 6 series, I wouldn't rule out 7 series (upscaling only)FSR4 post Redstone launch either, it's already been hacked/coded into Linux, initial release saw negative performance, but the latest version increased performance.

 

[Gerard]

That's because the die is believed to be the largest RDNA4 die that AMD possess, so they couldn't make a 9080/9090 without more engineering and that causes noise, which leads to rumours and...

dingleberrries on youtube claiming AMD are releasing a "6090 KILLER", then a chunk of people accept that as fact, then when it turns out not to be the case suddenly AMD are to blame for misleading people.....

And I'm pretty sure I've already seen claims of that nature making the rounds..so here we go yet again...

 

[deviation]

my point being it never was a 4090 competitor.

So was mine, and that's the problem, it should have been, being the highest model number, and the XTX and not XT variant. Instead we got the real version of a 7800XT

 

[deviation]

dingleberrries on youtube claiming AMD are releasing a "6090 KILLER", then a chunk of people accept that as fact, then when it turns out not to be the case suddenly AMD are to blame for misleading people.....

And I'm pretty sure I've already seen claims of that nature making the rounds..so here we go yet again...

AMD don't need to make a 6090 Killer, it will kill itself, all by itself, via the 12VHPWR