COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

I'd be very surprised if it's covid, but my better half has brought another bug home from work (hospitals, the breeding grounds of bugs!) last weekend that has some symptoms in common with typical covid of old, which I'm a day or two behind her on...
Major brain fog
Mentally very tired
Horrid dull headache that paracetamol doesn't help much with
When I did 40mins of very light turbo trainer (exercise bike) last night, the first exercise of note I'd done since Monday evening (which was very easy ebike 50mins with lots of assist), my knees were moaning bigtime

The timing is a bity crazy, because better half did some harder workouts last week and I did my biggest/hardest ebike ride on Sunday, so we initially wondered if we were getting Post Exercise Malaise from our efforts and both being long coviders.

But this is different to PEM I've had a number of times in the last almost three years, which left me physically drained.
 
Bah picked up either a cold or COVID, mild to moderate sore throat but general aches and quite bad fatigue with brain fog. Thought I was losing my sense of taste earlier in the day as everything tasted like cardboard but that seems to have cleared up for now.
 
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I feel pretty blessed and lucky that all my friends and family (globally) haven't had any issues at all despite travelling a lot and living across the world.

From reading this thread it seems that there's a larger minority than you appreciate that are facing challenges still and are still seriously worried about this and general diseases :( can't be a nice way to live. :(

I hope you're all doing ok and got too badly affected by things and able to live a full life despite your issues.
 
I trust these guys' videos


That YT channel does make some interesting videos but as another poster said they tend to over simplify topics due to their target audience and I've seen a lot of their videos get called out by actual experts in that field for mistakes they've made. I'm sure the mistakes weren't intentional but a lot of these subjects take years of study to fully understand so its not a surprise they make mistakes. I wouldn't be using their videos as evidence of anything tbh.
 
That YT channel does make some interesting videos but as another poster said they tend to over simplify topics due to their target audience and I've seen a lot of their videos get called out by actual experts in that field for mistakes they've made. I'm sure the mistakes weren't intentional but a lot of these subjects take years of study to fully understand so its not a surprise they make mistakes. I wouldn't be using their videos as evidence of anything tbh.

And as we saw throughout the pandemic and even now many years after it's over the experts still get many things wrong and things change. Science is ever evolving. It's always best guess (based on data / stats and knowledge) rather than absolute certainty.
 
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And as we saw throughout the pandemic and even now many years after it's over the experts still get many things wrong and things change. Science is ever evolving. It's always best guess (based on data / stats and knowledge) rather than absolute certainty.

What did the experts get wrong? If anything this pandemic was more political than scientific in many cases.
 
What did the experts get wrong? If anything this pandemic was more political than scientific in many cases.

First few weeks and months there was a lot of experts who were convinced, without sufficient evidence or despite the evidence, it was a mutation of the original SARS (1) and explaining the disease, how it worked and giving out advice based on that premise, which broadly turned out to be wrong.

Experts broadly assumed a fairly uniform impact on the population based on extrapolating early impact of the disease which turned out to be wrong, though there is an element there of the disease changing. Something I poorly recognised myself for awhile as well - it seems there is (was) a percentage of the population say 10-15% who are more susceptible to severe disease with COVID irrespective of their existing condition but initially many experts and myself assumed that impact would be reflected over a wider percentage of the population being more often the case than not. (To be fair it was a bit of a lose, lose situation as there was reluctance for some reason to carrying out the kind of high quality studies of the disease which would have allowed this to be fact lead, otherwise we had to be prepared against the worst of what we were seeing).

Experts continued to give advice based on the more severe of the 2 strains initially present at Wuhan months after that strain became virtually extinct due losing out to the milder but more transmissible Alpha variant.

While somewhat political there was a lot of messaging over the vaccine(s) which went against established scientific and medical understanding - even if some of it was maybe well intentioned.
 
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What did the experts get wrong? If anything this pandemic was more political than scientific in many cases.
Rroff covered many of them but also it's only really this thread that keeps popping up that keeps me in touch with COVID for over 3 years as it's not been an issue for me or people generally bar the minority that we hear about in examples in this thread.

For the record I'm not pooh-poohing yours or other people's lived experiences but this thread is atypical to that of what I see to be the majority globally (admittedly it's only via travel and discussions rather than reading the local news of those countries).


I'm trying to do this from what I remember and I don't disagree a lot of it was political posturing.

So... The Initial view assumed it would behave like SARS1 (droplets, severe for most). The shift in Evidence showed very different spread and outcomes. Now: Distinct virus, airborne, superspreading, uneven severity.

On Transmission the nitial view was droplet and surface spread with mass disinfection emphasised. The shiftbbased on outbreak studies proved airborne transmission was dominant. Now it seems that aerosols are the main route, surfaces play a minor role.

On the Risk profile initially expected severe illness for most, based on Wuhan/Italy cases. But the data showed majority had mild cases, c10 to 15% at real risk. Now it seems that the risk is uneven. elderly, comorbid, immunocompromised, and some with genetic susceptibility which is what I've been saying in this thread but often rejected for this opinion.

Variants a favourite topic here! :D

The initial view and guidance continued based on original Wuhan strain. But the shift from Alpha, Delta, then Omicron changed transmissibility and severity. Now the Omicron family is dominant, faster incubation, milder per case, strong immune escape.


The Incubation & isolation advice was based on 14 day isolation, copied from SARS 1. But it shifted as the data showed c. 5 day incubation, then c. 3 days with Omicron. What is happening now is more Symptom-based isolation (stay home while sick, not fixed days), which let's face it is sensible. People should have been at home back when sick for decades but politics and work pressures...


Initial view on testing was that PCR was seen as gold standard, single test enough. Then we moved onto antigen tests shown to track contagiousness; repeat testing needed. Now it seems that PCR best for diagnosis, antigen best for infectiousness (serial use). Though let's face it most people haven't done a test in a couple of years now if not longer.

There was a lot of fuss over treatments and many so called experts saying stuff like chloroquine, broad antivirals, and many unproven drugs (can't remember their names).

But the shift happened when random controlled trials showed most were ineffective but dexamethasone (?) and Paxlovid showed benefit.

I believe Antivirals are now being used early for high-risk patients and immune modulators for severe hospitalised cases. I don't know exactly how those work, but my medical friends explained it a while back but can't remember it enough! :o

And the ever "political element" Vaccines!!

The messaging suggested they would stop infection and transmission. But we knew that real-world data showed breakthrough infections were common, but still good against severe disease especially for those with comorbidities or immunocompromised people and the elderly. We now know that the vaccines reduce hospitalisation and death (in particular vulnerable groups) only partial and temporary protection against infection.

There's no damning thing here but it shows how over a short period of time expertise changed as knowledge increased. Nothing new here this is very normal in scientific environments.

But again politics created a lot of misinformation and sensationalising by media and social media.
 
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What did the experts get wrong? If anything this pandemic was more political than scientific in many cases.
I believe COVID-19 marked the beginning of population control better word, population management, where initial basic policies were introduced and then used as a foundation to justify further restrictions. But this is what i think others masy say nut case etc.... but I do believe this to be true.
 
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Are Covid vaccinations still a thing?
Yes, but sadly, the criteria to get a free covid vaccine became much harder in recent years.

My last vaccine was my third jab in December '21, when I hadn't long turned 47.

Then it was decided you needed to be 50+ or immunocompromised.

Later it became 65+ or immunocompromised.

I still wonder to this day whether I should have been less cautious in early '22, a few months after my last vaccine jab. But by the time I caught covid again in late September '22, a lot of that vaccine benefit would have been lost. And here I am, 35 months later, having not worked since after taking ill health retirement due to long covid mental and physical fatigue (from being a fast postie and riding 10+ hours most weeks as a fit cyclist)
 
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