That’s the first video I’ve seen of his, and that graph is quite eye opening, I mean it’s hardly a small sample.
He also mentions that the UK vaxxed vs not death rate is confidential.
Why?
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He also mentions that the UK vaxxed vs not death rate is confidential.
Why?
Always love it when the source is some unverifiable foreign language graph that's never been published anywhere filtered through a crank site. It's pretty easy to get data such as that graph simply by not bothering to do basic controls on your data. Vaccines in Japan, as elsewhere, are not given randomly to the public they're given selectively to the most vulnerable part of the population, so you expect a higher death rate among the vaccinated population unless you control for age and health status. They're also not given at random times of year, they're given in the late summer/early autumn so that they are effective during the winter, when the risk of death is highest, which means that you'd expect an upward curve in death rates in the months following the vaccination -- because those are the months when death rates are highest.
I strongly suspect this, like so many other claims peddled by Covid cranks is a simple matter of people not bothering to do basic statistical controls on their data.
It's not confidential: it's just not being urgently collected for publication by the ONS as its simply not very important any more.
I do, yes. The medication I am on can have negative effects on my white blood cell count.Do you take them?
Feel free to tell me to bugger off if I’m being too personal
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I think they are for the vulnerable, elderly and people with comorbidities.
After my second which I had to have to travel I never heard back about any more. I guess it's like the flu jab unless you register an interest you won't get any notifications about it if you don't fit the criteria? As a fit 45 year old with no medical records other than physio and some mental health issues I don't think I qualify for anything!
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I'm on Clozapine too and I don't get offered one every year.
Oh, OK. Not sure why. Maybe it is because I live in a shared house. No idea to be honest.
Id assume they set their own guidelines down on the islands?
Too many powerful people stand to lose too much. This will just rumble along under the radar, and maybe in 30 / 40 years it will be a big news item (when all involved are dead or at least out of power)
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i watched his videos from the start, initial he was pro-vaccine, pro mask.. he followed the evidence and went from GET VACCINATED NOW.. to WTF ARE WE DOING over several months.. pro mask was not bad but it gave people a false sense of safety when in reality it did almost nothing to help... I followed his journey and learned a sit ton about the immune system along the way... My son cannot stand him because he sent from pro mrna vaccine to anti MRNA vaccine and anyone who changes their mind cannot be trusted.. i cannot even get him to take vitamin D as John endorsed it!!!!
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79% had two doses, 67% had three doses in Japan, but apparently they are only given out selectively. Does selectively now mean the majority of the population?
They are as much a thing as flu vaccines are. As I am over 50 and live in Wales I get offered both Oct / Nov time.
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I get a notification about booking a flu jab every year but for the thing that really matters a covid jab I get bugger allI think they are for the vulnerable, elderly and people with comorbidities.
After my second which I had to have to travel I never heard back about any more. I guess it's like the flu jab unless you register an interest you won't get any notifications about it if you don't fit the criteria? As a fit 45 year old with no medical records other than physio and some mental health issues I don't think I qualify for anything!
Rroff covered many of them but also it's only really this thread that keeps popping up that keeps me in touch with COVID for over 3 years as it's not been an issue for me or people generally bar the minority that we hear about in examples in this thread.
For the record I'm not pooh-poohing yours or other people's lived experiences but this thread is atypical to that of what I see to be the majority globally (admittedly it's only via travel and discussions rather than reading the local news of those countries).
I'm trying to do this from what I remember and I don't disagree a lot of it was political posturing.
So... The Initial view assumed it would behave like SARS1 (droplets, severe for most). The shift in Evidence showed very different spread and outcomes. Now: Distinct virus, airborne, superspreading, uneven severity.
On Transmission the nitial view was droplet and surface spread with mass disinfection emphasised. The shiftbbased on outbreak studies proved airborne transmission was dominant. Now it seems that aerosols are the main route, surfaces play a minor role.
On the Risk profile initially expected severe illness for most, based on Wuhan/Italy cases. But the data showed majority had mild cases, c10 to 15% at real risk. Now it seems that the risk is uneven. elderly, comorbid, immunocompromised, and some with genetic susceptibility which is what I've been saying in this thread but often rejected for this opinion.
Variants a favourite topic here!
The initial view and guidance continued based on original Wuhan strain. But the shift from Alpha, Delta, then Omicron changed transmissibility and severity. Now the Omicron family is dominant, faster incubation, milder per case, strong immune escape.
The Incubation & isolation advice was based on 14 day isolation, copied from SARS 1. But it shifted as the data showed c. 5 day incubation, then c. 3 days with Omicron. What is happening now is more Symptom-based isolation (stay home while sick, not fixed days), which let's face it is sensible. People should have been at home back when sick for decades but politics and work pressures...
Initial view on testing was that PCR was seen as gold standard, single test enough. Then we moved onto antigen tests shown to track contagiousness; repeat testing needed. Now it seems that PCR best for diagnosis, antigen best for infectiousness (serial use). Though let's face it most people haven't done a test in a couple of years now if not longer.
There was a lot of fuss over treatments and many so called experts saying stuff like chloroquine, broad antivirals, and many unproven drugs (can't remember their names).
But the shift happened when random controlled trials showed most were ineffective but dexamethasone (?) and Paxlovid showed benefit.
I believe Antivirals are now being used early for high-risk patients and immune modulators for severe hospitalised cases. I don't know exactly how those work, but my medical friends explained it a while back but can't remember it enough!
And the ever "political element" Vaccines!!
The messaging suggested they would stop infection and transmission. But we knew that real-world data showed breakthrough infections were common, but still good against severe disease especially for those with comorbidities or immunocompromised people and the elderly. We now know that the vaccines reduce hospitalisation and death (in particular vulnerable groups) only partial and temporary protection against infection.
There's no damning thing here but it shows how over a short period of time expertise changed as knowledge increased. Nothing new here this is very normal in scientific environments.
But again politics created a lot of misinformation and sensationalising by media and social media.
None of these things really concern me. It's how science naturally progresses, just that these things were in the news every day and at a very accelerated schedule due to the insane spread that his virus had — as you mention.
One thing to keep in mind though is that vaccination has proven to lower the rates of contracting long covid from breakthrough infections, so that's something to keep in mind for the population in general.
Yup. He became very popular and started making a lot of money from YouTube. As the pandemic lost the public interest he had to shift to more conspiracy crackpot crap in order to keep his new viewer base who continue to obsess over this stuff while everyone else has moved on.
He's been proven time and time again to no longer follow good evidence and cherrypicks stuff.
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So you agree with my original point then? Cool. Glad we could find a common understanding.
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Hmm I guess my GP surgery is less proactive? Would it also depend on your health record or if you've had the jabs before?
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They most certainly are and covid is still a problem in our hospitals with many patients.
Just had to laugh at a musician friend, he posted a cancelled gig on Facebook and a well known d*** replied:
Covid?
Yes, I've got it quite bad
How do you know it's Covid?
Because I took a test
Covid doesn't exist
Well I've got it
It never existed
So you don't think I'm ill?
Yes but you've got a cold
Gotta love them "it's just a cold bros"They most certainly are and covid is still a problem in our hospitals with many patients.
Just had to laugh at a musician friend, he posted a cancelled gig on Facebook and a well known d*** replied:
Covid?
Yes, I've got it quite bad
How do you know it's Covid?
Because I took a test
Covid doesn't exist
Well I've got it
It never existed
So you don't think I'm ill?
Yes but you've got a cold
