Is this the unraveling of CyclingMikey?

[loftie]

Yes, people don’t stop on the curve anymore they just dont stop and look anymore, they cross without signaling the driver. I guess you don’t drive

People are stupid that's why. They don't consider that there's the possibility that a driver won't see them. That said...

LOL, so if you stop halfway through a turn, as some pedestrian decides to cross and the bike sees it but doesn’t stop, keeps going forward and then the rider complains. it is the cars fault? did you not read whai i said,

You know people don't bother checking or stopping, and if the pedestrian is close enough to get into the road while you're only halfway through turning then unless they were usain bolt sprinting down the pavement they were definitely close enough that you should have waited to turn IMHO.

So you turned despite a pedestrian crossing the road, and a cyclist was coming up from the left, and it's their fault? Are you aware that in your scenario the cyclist had right of way?

Got to giveway to pedestrians wanting/waiting to cross too IIRC.

 

[Penfold101]

We need to see a picture of the junction on google maps or something, as I’m struggling to see how this is the driver’s fault. If it’s not a pedestrian crossing then the car has the right of way - people shouldn’t just walk out into the road and get angry if there’s a car there at the same time.

The phrase ‘halfway through a turn’ needs some clarification too, as context to the car’s location and the pedestrian location when they stepped off matters here.

Also, the cyclist should have seen the car ahead turning in and slowed down - the idea that they can just plough on through regardless is insane.

@Tram any chance you can clear this up a bit with a map location and satellite image?

 

[arknor]

No, most cyclists are a pain, they dont break and they are very agressive, they cycle talking on the phone and they dont really know how to cycle.

I know your probably trolling but loads of people literally have that stupid mind set.
probably mostly due to deliveroo and uber eats idiots...


Someone cut me off yesterday when I was doing 20mph, on a huge mountain bike, no way they didn;t see me....

driving towards me and makes a right turn, forcing me to brake hard.... it was obvious he lived on the Steet.
I yelled some abuse.... and I was so tempted to just go and clap him...

When I saw it happening I was half tempted to not stop and just let him plow into me with his bonnet...


more people should try cycling and see how it really is, but they won't because they know how dangerous cars are and they don't have a death wish.

it's no surprise it ends up with a few cycling mikey idiots doing us no favours, far too many drivers think they own the road and can bully their way to save a few seconds.... happens at roundabouts as well when you are supposed to be given priority... cars don;t care because they know they can force you to stop.


there's no way the guy misjudged my speed either, because there was a car following me, I'm literally 6"4 and my bike has like 9 inches of ground clearance... so sitting on it my heads like 7-8ft off the ground.... there's no way he didn;t see me coming.

next one though.... I might just lose it.... see how tough people are outside of that 2 ton metal box...

I can guarantee 90% of them would step out of the way for me walking along a street, but in a car they are so tough arent they


I shoulda gone and body blocked him all the way from his car to his garden ask him if saving 5 seconds was worth it at the minimum.

 

[Resident]

Are you aware that in your scenario the cyclist had right of way

If it’s not a pedestrian crossing then the car has the right of way

NOBODY has the right of way 'in any circumstance' - Page 70 Highway Code.

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/uploads/3/2/9/2/3292309/the_official_highway_code_-_10-04-2025_2.pdf

In reference to the hierarchy rules, giving pedestrians priority at junctions, it's specific enough to say "already crossing or waiting to cross". This doesn't include Derek who is walking towards the junction and you arrive simultaneously & Derek crosses without looking or breaking his stride.

As the driver you've satisfied the criteria of heeding priority, Derek is not crossing nor waiting to cross. That's not to say carry on and mow him down but in that scenario Derek is the one at fault, having not taken any steps to avoid coming into conflict with other road users.

Likewise, if you're a cyclist on a single lane road, ie no separate cycle lane, and the vehicle in front is indicating to turn left and slowing, the correct procedure is either to slow down and allow the maneuver to complete or pass on the right side in order to remove possible conflict.

Quite why, as a vulnerable road user you would put yourself in a dangerous position to save 1 second, in the erroneous belief you have 'right of way'.

 

[Malevolence]

Someone cut me off yesterday when I was doing 20mph, on a huge mountain bike, no way they didn;t see me....

I had a taxi driver stop directly in front of me, actually across the lane not in line with it. Now despite it being daylight (0930), me being on a bright yellow bike, wearing a nigh-on luminous yellow jacket with reflective strips and bright flashing LEDs on the go he claimed he didn't see me.

 

[Tram]

People are stupid that's why. They don't consider that there's the possibility that a driver won't see them. That said...

You know people don't bother checking or stopping, and if the pedestrian is close enough to get into the road while you're only halfway through turning then unless they were usain bolt sprinting down the pavement they were definitely close enough that you should have waited to turn IMHO.

Got to giveway to pedestrians wanting/waiting to cross too IIRC.

There have been many times i am driving and some trys to run in front of the car when i am driving in a striaght line, it happens so fast at times.


There have been many times when I’m driving in a straight line and suddenly someone runs in front of the car. It happens so quickly one moment a person looks like they’re walking straight, and the next they suddenly switch direction and cross the road.


Another situation is when I indicate to turn left and begin the turn. Even if a cyclist is about 20 metres behind (roughly one car length), sometimes someone suddenly jumps into the road. The cyclist usually has enough time to brake, but some don’t, and then they complain afterwards.


This often happens around the A205 and Priory Lane.
or your going down the road at 20 mph and the cyclist shoots pass you at almost 30mph on a 20 mph road.

look how just not slow down and over takes other cyclists.

Why did I think it was a good idea going to Richmond Park today?
byu/breiko inlondoncycling

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7237839277906758938

They told the driver to wait because of the sign, but if you look closely, there was also a road sign on the other side. That meant the cars actually had the right of way. The cyclist didn’t stop, even though on the opposite side cyclists stop in front of the cars to say the yhad right of way.

50kph on a 20 kph road.

Richmond Park: Female drivers report 'harassment' by male cyclists

Motorists accuse some male cyclists of banging on cars and causing "upset and fear", say police.

www.bbc.co.uk

Cycling group and Royal Parks disagree over cyclist speed limit advice in Richmond Park

Richmond Park Cyclists also said it would ask the Royal Parks for an answer on why time trials in the park have been paused over cyclist speed fears but the "much bigger" London Duathlon is allowed to go ahead

road.cc

 

[Penfold101]

NOBODY has the right of way 'in any circumstance' - Page 70 Highway Code.

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/uploads/3/2/9/2/3292309/the_official_highway_code_-_10-04-2025_2.pdf

In reference to the hierarchy rules, giving pedestrians priority at junctions, it's specific enough to say "already crossing or waiting to cross". This doesn't include Derek who is walking towards the junction and you arrive simultaneously & Derek crosses without looking or breaking his stride.

As the driver you've satisfied the criteria of heeding priority, Derek is not crossing nor waiting to cross. That's not to say carry on and mow him down but in that scenario Derek is the one at fault, having not taken any steps to avoid coming into conflict with other road users.

Likewise, if you're a cyclist on a single lane road, ie no separate cycle lane, and the vehicle in front is indicating to turn left and slowing, the correct procedure is either to slow down and allow the maneuver to complete or pass on the right side in order to remove possible conflict.

Quite why, as a vulnerable road user you would put yourself in a dangerous position to save 1 second, in the erroneous belief you have 'right of way'.

I mean, let’s not pretend I’ve read that in the 25 years since I passed my test, but it’s common sense - the biggest object has the right of way in any situation.

Derek (top choice of name) is under no circumstances (outside of a pedestrian crossing) going to be correct in stepping out into a road which has cars on it. He might legally be correct at a crossing, but even then the law doesn’t stop him getting mown down by a car, or a car being obliterated by a truck because it pulled out of a junction, which I think you’ve pretty much said in your last point.

 

[UTmaniac]

No, most cyclists are a pain, they dont break and they are very agressive, they cycle talking on the phone and they dont really know how to cycle.

Trollooolololol.

 

[Diddums]

@Tram any chance you can clear this up a bit with a map location and satellite image?

The answer to this seems to be "no" which I firmly equate to "I'm talking nonsense again".

 

[Diddums]

50kph on a 20 kph road.

Ah yes, all these lime bikes breaking world records on completely unsuitable roads like Richmond ******* Park lmao.

How inconvenient. Are you ok? Would like like to go to Spain your safe space for a little while to calm down?

 

[Malevolence]

Trollooolololol.

Funny enough, in the US a Tram is called a TROLLey. Just saying.

 

[aVdub]

No, most cyclists are a pain, they dont break and they are very agressive, they cycle talking on the phone and they dont really know how to cycle.

Quoting a member here when asking. Do you have credible proof of that and can you work out this difficult puzzle, which you could do on your brake reregexbannedmember

 

[loftie]

There have been many times i am driving and some trys to run in front of the car when i am driving in a striaght line, it happens so fast at times.


There have been many times when I’m driving in a straight line and suddenly someone runs in front of the car. It happens so quickly one moment a person looks like they’re walking straight, and the next they suddenly switch direction and cross the road.


Another situation is when I indicate to turn left and begin the turn. Even if a cyclist is about 20 metres behind (roughly one car length), sometimes someone suddenly jumps into the road. The cyclist usually has enough time to brake, but some don’t, and then they complain afterwards.


This often happens around the A205 and Priory Lane.
or your going down the road at 20 mph and the cyclist shoots pass you at almost 30mph on a 20 mph road.

look how just not slow down and over takes other cyclists.

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7237839277906758938

They told the driver to wait because of the sign, but if you look closely, there was also a road sign on the other side. That meant the cars actually had the right of way. The cyclist didn’t stop, even though on the opposite side cyclists stop in front of the cars to say the yhad right of way.

50kph on a 20 kph road.

Richmond Park: Female drivers report 'harassment' by male cyclists

Motorists accuse some male cyclists of banging on cars and causing "upset and fear", say police.

www.bbc.co.uk

Cycling group and Royal Parks disagree over cyclist speed limit advice in Richmond Park

Richmond Park Cyclists also said it would ask the Royal Parks for an answer on why time trials in the park have been paused over cyclist speed fears but the "much bigger" London Duathlon is allowed to go ahead

road.cc

The response wasn't that cyclists and pedestrians aren't iditos, entitled idiots are everywhere no matter the mode of transport they use. Without seeing how these pedestrians just "jump" into the road it's hard to judge, but considering you're aware of people being idiots, and I assume you're aware of the pedestrians being there, then you should be expecting this behaviour.

Now if you'd said you're driving and someone decides to walk out onto the road from behind a van, I'd absolutely agree you can't see or really predict that unless you're lucky. But if they're just on the pavement, unless visability is zero, then you should be kinda predicting this.

For note - when I was learning to drive, I drove from Holborn to Enfield and I had a cyclist pull out on the right, he was looking right and didn't bother to check left. As i said, idiots are everywhere regardless of their chosen mode of transport.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Meanwhile I think most people would agree that wearing securely fitting footwear is a small thing to give a significant increase in safety- same as just not using your phone when driving - it shouldn't have to be rule of law for people to use some common sense and not do things which might distract or impact on the control of their or someone else's vehicle.

Yes, I agree that wearing proper shoes is better than wearing flip-flops on an EAPC. But if it felt like they were going to slip off, or they do slip off, then presumably he wouldn't wear them. When it cools down he will doubtless go back to wearing regular shoes.

i'll explain why. I’ve seen this many times, cyclists don’t stop behind the truck, but when they reach a red light, they cycle up and stop next to it. I’ve noticed the same behavior with buses. It’s not the drivers’ fault

That's why in most cities at intersections with traffic lights there is a designated area ("bike box") that is reserved at the front of the traffic queue for cyclists who are waiting for the traffic lights to change. This means that a cyclist cannot be present without being seen by all the vehicles in the queue, which greatly reduces the chance that they will get cut-up by an oblivious driver.

In one year I have seen hundreds if not thousands of cyclists, mopeds and scooters run red lights. use there phones and drive irrisponsable

I see plenty of car drivers run red lights and being hit by a 1.5 - 2 ton car is at least 20 times worse than being hit by a bicycle.

There is an argument that cyclists should be allowed to go through red traffic lights to turn left because their presence in the far left section of the lane will not interfere with motorists driving into that lane (who are making a right turn or are driving straight over a junction). That would also prevent cyclists from being "left-hooked" by oblivious motorists waiting in the queue with them to turn left at the traffic lights.

We need cyclists to have reg plates, I have seen how violent cyclists get.

The idea that cyclists should have registration plates is unworkable and over-kill. Only one country in the world currently does that, North Korea, a brutal Police State which seeks to keep all its citizens under constant surveillance.

A bicycle/EAPC is nothing like as dangerous as a car/van/lorry etc because it simply doesn't have the mass and the velocity that they have. The reality is (on average) 3 pedestrians a year die in the UK after being hit by a cyclist. That is less than 1% of the number killed by motorists. You have to balance the Road Traffic Act regulations to regulate the most dangerous vehicles the most.

Making every bicycle on the road have number plates (which someone would also have to enforce) at massive expense and with huge bureaucracy for the DVLA would simply mean most people would just give up cycling. Hence, a lot more people will be driving cars and we will have even worse traffic congestion. Not to mention worse health outcomes for ex-cyclists and higher CO2 emissions etc.

I believe that we now need a licence for cyclists, they need to pass this to be able to be on the roads.

Many cyclists are also motorists and so have driving licenses. The younger ones have often done a Cycling Proficiency course at school/scouts.

No we're talking about the fact that a highway code rule which says "should" rather than "must" can be completely ignored. Either you think that's the case (for both cyclists and car drivers), or you don't. Or you're admitting you're happy to apply double standards to cyclists and drivers, in which case stop beating about the bush and pretending otherwise.

I have said many times now that I don't approve of him wearing flip-flops on his EAPC.

Again Mikey broke the law and caused CRIMINAL damage to another vehicle and ENDANGERED himself and other road users.

The driver deliberately drove into Mikey's bike (he accelerated hard). The driver KNEW very well that Mikey was going to walk out into the road again, (he had just had a standoff with him), that's why he drove like he was in a race. If Mikey's attempt to block him was illegal then the Police would have told him to stop doing it years ago (as they have had videos of him doing it for the last 6 years).

 

[Rroff]

Yes, I agree that wearing proper shoes is better than wearing flip-flops on an EAPC. But if it felt like they were going to slip off, or they do slip off, then presumably he wouldn't wear them. When it cools down he will doubtless go back to wearing regular shoes.

This is really poor justification - I'm sure there are plenty of people as well who believe that using a phone when driving isn't going to distract them, etc. either and not like there is a shortage of well fitting ventilated footwear suitable for cycling.

 

[Brun]

Ironically the footwear which causes the most falling off bikes is the type specifically made for cycling. Flip flops are probably safer.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

<mewling noises>

Have you seen the driving standards in Spain? You are in for quite the treat!

 

[Vonhelmet]

Ironically the footwear which causes the most falling off bikes is the type specifically made for cycling. Flip flops are probably safer.

I assume you mean clipless pedals? Most people fall off those once and then get the hang of it. I don’t think you can ever get the hang of flip flops.

 

[Derek W]

No, most cyclists are a pain, they dont break and they are very agressive, they cycle talking on the phone and they dont really know how to cycle.

To be fair I think anyone on the road doesn't want to break at any given moment.

 

[Resident]

The driver deliberately drove into Mikey's bike (he accelerated hard). The driver KNEW very well that Mikey was going to walk out into the road again, (he had just had a standoff with him), that's why he drove like he was in a race. If Mikey's attempt to block him was illegal then the Police would have told him to stop doing it years ago (as they have had videos of him doing it for the last 6 years).

Delusional.