What is wrong with people - Harjinder Singh, killer HGV driver.

45 years? Yeah thats fine with me.
No due care or attention of driver or co driver, no understanding or following road signs, caused the death of innocent road users, showed zero remorse or care for the victims in the aftermath (if I knew my driving had cost 3 people their lives, I'd be an absolute mess, not shrugging my shoulders in a casual manner), enjoy prison and good riddance.

People trying to protect this individual is what is wrong with this world, none of us are special, none of us should be protected at all because "reasons", commit a crime, then you got to serve the time.
 
Resident said:
In the UK he'd be charged with 3 counts of causing death by dangerous driving.

Given the circumstances, HGV, blatant disregard for rules of the road, U turn on a motorway from the inside lane. he'd be looking at 12 years just for one death. Maximum sentence is now life imprisonment for D by DD and would be very much on the table if this was a UK incident.
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There isn't a popsicles chance he would see anything like that length of sentence over here. The average sentence for death by dangerous driving in 2020 was 4 years 7 months and that covers all the people that are driving at 80 in a 30 high as a kite. This would be treated on the very low end of serious over here as he just did something really stupid and we don't consider really stupid in a massive lump on metal as particularly serious here.

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Cannabis-using bus driver who fell asleep at the wheel and killed nine-year-old girl cycling on the pavement has “unduly lenient” prison sentence increased

The Court of Appeal ruled this week that Martin Asolo-Ogugua will spend six years and eight months in prison for his “reckless and utterly selfish” driving, after originally being handed a four-year sentence
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Originally sentenced for 4 years for falling asleep at the wheel at killing a little girl because he was high on drugs. Increased to just under 7 years on appeal.

Another one.

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Call for tougher sentence for North Rauceby fatal crash driver

Dr Caroline Johnson MP says the sentence given to Natasha Allarakhia is "unduly lenient".
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10 years for killing 2 teenagers and seriously injuring another. Had her two kids in the back and was drinking and speeding and immediately after the crash laughed when she passed a breath test.

The court heard the defendant had five previous convictions for 12 offences, including a bad driving record.

Dr Johnson said Allarakhia had been warned on several occasions about her dangerous driving, but "persisted in this behaviour, showing a chronic disregard for the rules of the road".

In mitigation, Edward Renvoize, said Allarakhia had shown genuine remorse which was emphasised by her demeanour in court.

"She did not set out to hurt anyone," he said.
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This sums it up. Complete disregard for anyone but herself. Didn't even care that her children were in the car with her, has a criminal record, didn't seem bothered in the immediate aftermath of the fatal crash but come time to face the punishment for her behaviour and apparently shes showing genuine remorse. Of course she is. She doesn't want to go to prison.

"She did not set out to hurt anyone". No she didn't she just repeatedly playing with other peoples lives through her actions. Actions that were almost certain to eventually hurt of kill someone. I have the square root of FA sympathy for people like this and I would happily throw away they key. They have ruined likely dozens of lives because they are allowed to get away with their ****** behaviour and because they don't care about anyone but themselves.
 
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BeeP said:
I dunno he did overly enjoy cleaning a few of those brushes.
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Richard - London said:
Context,

In country illegally
working illegally
U-turns illegally
kills 3 people illegally.
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As opposed to what, killing 3 people legally?

The law will decide, but the biggest issue is how he got the license to drive the truck in the first place IMO.

Involuntary manslaughter is bad, and he deserves jail, but not 45 years - that’s just insane
 
fez said:
There isn't a popsicles chance he would see anything like that length of sentence over here. The average sentence for death by dangerous driving in 2020 was 4 years 7 months and that covers all the people that are driving at 80 in a 30 high as a kite. This would be treated on the very low end of serious over here as he just did something really stupid and we don't consider really stupid in a massive lump on metal as particularly serious here.

road.cc

Cannabis-using bus driver who fell asleep at the wheel and killed nine-year-old girl cycling on the pavement has “unduly lenient” prison sentence increased

The Court of Appeal ruled this week that Martin Asolo-Ogugua will spend six years and eight months in prison for his “reckless and utterly selfish” driving, after originally being handed a four-year sentence
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Originally sentenced for 4 years for falling asleep at the wheel at killing a little girl because he was high on drugs. Increased to just under 7 years on appeal.
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I always remember that bin lorry driver in Glasgow who kept his medical condition secret, blacked out (apparently), and killed 6 people. Then, months later while still banned from driving for medical reasons he was caught driving his car.

He didn't face any consequences beyond a medical driving ban, and another driving ban and some community service for driving his car while already banned.
 
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GreatAuk said:
I always remember that bin lorry driver in Glasgow who kept his medical condition secret, blacked out (apparently), and killed 6 people. Then, months later while still banned from driving for medical reasons he was caught driving his car.

He didn't face any consequences beyond a medical driving ban, and another driving ban and some community service for driving his car while already banned.
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To be fair if it had been my kid he'd run over I'd hope he have the shortest sentence possible.
 
Penfold101 said:
Involuntary manslaughter is bad, and he deserves jail, but not 45 years - that’s just insane
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Why insane? He took 3 lives.... what do you think is a suitable punishment, in terms of years behind bars, out of interest?

Also don't forget this is the US - they don't fanny around with sentences like the UK does, as they have the prison systems to bang people up.
 
Resident said:
Over 2.6 million people have signed a petition in support and demanding leniency for Harjinder Singh, an illegal immigrant who was granted a Commercial Driver's Licence in California/Washington the went on to cause the death of 3 people when he dangerously ignored a no U-turn sign on a highway (motorway).
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Why have 2.6 million people signed? Because the usual racists have been out in force baying for blood. So much of politics, especially in the US, has devolved into nothing but tribal reactions on one side or the other.

Em3bbs said:
45 years for an accident does seem a bit harsh to be fair.
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45 years is the maximum sentence. Not big on US law, but it seems rather unlikely he'd actually get anything like that. I'd wait and see what he actually gets before deciding whether it seems harsh; time in jail for this seems entirely proportionate to me.
 
Scort said:
Why insane? He took 3 lives.... what do you think is a suitable punishment, in terms of years behind bars, out of interest?

Also don't forget this is the US - they don't fanny around with sentences like the UK does, as they have the prison systems to bang people up.
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If it was murder I would agree, and it would probably be life. As involuntary manslaughter, of which there are a few types in US law, the worst of which requires a gun, I’d expect no more than half that, probably less.

Without googling, I don’t know the sentencing rules for stacking the terms on top of each other rather than running concurrently, or if that’s simply at judge’s discretion. I don’t think we’ll have to wait too long given the publicity this has and with America currently having immigration as its top issue.

I think what’s confused everyone more is how he was able to get the driving certificate at all.
 
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