His interview after the loss was far more damning than that. He essentially said that the players showed they don't want him there. He simply cannot accept that his tactics/formation are at the root of all the issues.
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His interview after the loss was far more damning than that. He essentially said that the players showed they don't want him there. He simply cannot accept that his tactics/formation are at the root of all the issues.
Im not so sure. I recall Benny McCarthy doing an interview after he left and he said they used to do the drills in training under ETH and it all looked great but come matchhday it all went to **** and they couldnt do it for toffee. I think that is whats happening here, because in pre-season Amorim did interviews and he was excited and said last season he was filled with dread each game but this season he felt really positive and things were going to be better. That interview showed how shell shocked he was in that they didnt turn up and as you say, he metioned that the players actions spoke loud and clear to him.
Yep, player mental fragility, it seems.
I think Amorim thought so too, everyone was saying how positive they were for the new season etc.
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I don't think they have downed tools. I think that they don't have the players in key positions for the system to function and without that, its a mess. The idea that running around a lot is the key to winning games is ********. Its a requirement but running around without any direction or positive outcome doesn't happen. Like it or not, football is a very technical and tactical game and putting a bunch of players on the pitch in a system that doesn't work....doesn't work.
3 of the players on the pitch last night are brand new. They won't have downed tools. Everyone seemed positive about the new season and even after the Arsenal loss there wasn't much negativity if any. The Fulham game was a bit of a wake up but on another day we would have easily won that game from the chances we had and the penalty. Theres no way the players have gone from all good vibes to downing tools based on the start to our season.
Whats far more likely is that Amorim simply cannot accept the fact his system doesn't work in the PL with these players. That players need to have a purpose in the game. They need the tactics and gameplan to benefit them rather than make their life impossible. 2 in the midfield makes a mess of everything when they are outnumbered. 5 at the back does little going forwards unless you have elite wingbacks and we don't. Then you have 5 players to manage and the risk then is that no one actually knows who is marking who. The opposition is playing in front of them because your midfield offers no protection and your 5 players are being outmanoeuvred by 3 forwards.
I think this is where intensity does come into it. You have to have that intensity in training or you are just going through the motions. We used to do drills in every team sport I played and its very easy to engineer situations that benefit whatever you are coaching. The opposition don't play to benefit you. They don't leave easy overlapping runs when you aren't putting in 100%. They don't come into the tackles softly. They don't make your life easy.
I think that players need to see positive things come out of their actions. They need to see that their efforts are rewarded. When everything is going wrong and they feel like the system is awful, they simply aren't going to make a run 10 times for that one time it works. In a team that does function, they will.
Thing is, this will be yet another manager spending allot and yet again getting sack and it’s same old for every manager Utd have spend a ton, players down tools don’t like whatever formation, tactics etc rinse repeat
The culture is rotten at its core at the club top to bottom.
Whatever manager is next isn’t a garuntee he likes these players spends more etc.
Of course sometimes a manager isn’t right and does genuinely need to go as well
The culture is rotten at its core at the club top to bottom.
Whatever manager is next isn’t a garuntee he likes these players spends more etc.
Of course sometimes a manager isn’t right and does genuinely need to go as well
Well they contribute more than actual United fans anyway, so can’t expect anything less.
For me, I just don’t know what to say. I’m so done with the neverending cycle. Could it come good if we get a midfielder and keeper in before the end of the window? It seems very unlikely. Morale will be shot, anything from the summer, gone.
Sums up my feelings too. Hence why I said surely the fingers need to be pointed at Glazers/INEOS.
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But if he keeps losing points and we're sat in 15th, he will surely go. Remember this is a club that wants to win the league in 2028.
I dont think its Amorims fault (although I also think that Amorim is not a top level manager and simply had a load of hype around him because of what he did with what was already one of the best teams in a poor league anyway)... I think Utds issue still stems from poor quality top staff in the boardroom and from a large number of players who are simply not good enough in either quality or attitude or both.
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we went 30 years with no league title, I can see Utd doing exactly same if not longer.
I said this to Utd fans and on here what did Utd fans actually expect most of the squad is the same yet some how expected it to be different just cause he had a preseason
The players cannot or will not do his tactics flipside to that is his formation or tactic don’t appear to work in this league
Again could argue your squad doesn’t have right players for it and I don’t think it does but again your manager doesn’t show much flexibility to adjust when it’s tough to get pts on the board.
Your clubs whole situation is a mess. Glazers need out entirely not half in and Ineos possibly gone too.
A full take over and reset has to happen I’d say outside looking in for any chance of full changes occuring
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I think this has to be the biggest issue. They are scared to perform. You have to be brave to pull on the shirt and too many of them are not. Look at how timid Amad was last night, not progressive or aggressive like he was last season. I think it's ok to excuse the likes of Fredricson or Heaven as they are really youth team players. I think we miss players like Mazraoui, Martinez who seem to have a bit more resilience.
I think we have to settle down and see what Burnley brings. As with everything Man United there is a big reaction to bad results/performances. Grimsby aside we are only two games in. Played well in one, should have won the other one (missed pens etc). The problem is that the start of the season is so staccatto in terms of matches and breaks that it leaves too much space to fill in the media.
For the record I still believe Amorim can turn this around but I'm less confident that he want's to now. Poor bloke.
Whole club is a mess top to bottom and has been for a while. The problem with a rubbish culture like this is that it becomes endemic - just "the way we are". Anyone who's worked at a company with a crap culture knows what I mean, and fixing it doesn't happen by bringing one guy in and nailing him to a cross when he doesn't fix it all in half a season.