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Intel Nova Lake (16th gen) on next gen platform/socket (LGA-1954)

AMD is using a lot of their wafer allocation for products with higher returns than supplying OEMs.

That's actually true, Having said that AMD's market share is consistently growing in all segments, they are ramping up how much supply they buy, gradually as they grow market share at a steady pace, what they don't want to do is is buy supply they don't know they can sell.
 
I think AMD will buy all the supply it can. Most of it is probably used for data centre hardware and desktop/OEM's get the scraps, just enough to stay relevant for when the bubble pops.
 

Nova Lake CPU will feature AVX10.2 instructions to finally bring back AVX-512 supported on both P-cores and E-cores.
 
unless intels next cpu is HUGLY more powerfull than AMD im done with Intel , only 1 cpu for Arrow lake !!! that is totaly shafing its customers ( i/you have just spent thousands on new hardware and now its trash / was trash to begine with, but i didnt want to belive it , but its true :( ) i came from a 12th gen and ive essentaly downgraded, ive been Intel for like 20 years , but Arrow lake has totaly soured the relasionship
 
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unless intels next cpu is HUGLY more powerfull than AMD im done with Intel , only 1 cpu for Arrow lake !!! that is totaly shafing its customers ( i/you have just spent thousands on new hardware and now its trash / was trash to begine with, but i didnt want to belive it , but its true :( ) i came from a 12th gen and ive essentaly downgraded, ive been Intel for like 20 years , but Arrow lake has totaly soured the relasionship

How is that any different from TRX40 / TR 3000 CPUs, as those were a single-gen platform? As my ROG Zenith II Extreme and 3960X cost significantly more than the 285K setup I have at the moment, but that point is somewhat moot.

I do agree that a single socket / CPU gen, isn't a good look, but they have said ARL-R CPUs are due later this year and may uplift the performance or not, but who knows, we need to wait and see.
 
unless intels next cpu is HUGLY more powerfull than AMD im done with Intel , only 1 cpu for Arrow lake !!! that is totaly shafing its customers ( i/you have just spent thousands on new hardware and now its trash / was trash to begine with, but i didnt want to belive it , but its true :( ) i came from a 12th gen and ive essentaly downgraded, ive been Intel for like 20 years , but Arrow lake has totaly soured the relasionship

It wasn't that long ago that AMD were in the position that Intel are currently in.
 
unless intels next cpu is HUGLY more powerfull than AMD im done with Intel , only 1 cpu for Arrow lake !!! that is totaly shafing its customers ( i/you have just spent thousands on new hardware and now its trash / was trash to begine with, but i didnt want to belive it , but its true :( ) i came from a 12th gen and ive essentaly downgraded, ive been Intel for like 20 years , but Arrow lake has totaly soured the relasionship

The 12th gen had some really good chips, still great for gaming etc now. Same with the 14th gen, I'm using an i7 14700f on a second PC and it's great. AMD is ahead, but I expect Intel will be back in a couple of generations with something really worthy again. Competition like this is great. It wasn't long ago that AMD were in this position and it sparked real progress.
 
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I still find Intel CPUs to be smoother, I don't know how to describe it to be honest.
When in Windows and running multiple tasks, tabbing around what have you, Intel just seems to be smoother, I'm running a 14900KF at the moment and love it.
I tried AMDs latest offerings early in the year 9800x3d and didn't find it that great, Yes gaming it appears to be ahead in FPS, but my overall user experience is better with an Intel chip, hence I went back to Intel and the 14900KF.

That's just my personal opinion and no slight on the AMD chips. Last AMD chip that I loved was my 1300 T-Bird back in early 2000's.
 
I still find Intel CPUs to be smoother, I don't know how to describe it to be honest.

People scoff at the E cores and I'm not a big fan - but I notice a difference in a lot of tasks between 8/16 CPUs, not just AMD, and my 14700K with the additional 12 E cores, even in stuff which isn't overly CPU heavy but it seems to allow the CPU to be a bit more responsive overall.

Having actually used a variety of CPUs in a variety of different tasks I find that the reviews give a kind of distorted perception of how a lot of modern CPUs stack up and don't represent just how so many CPUs currently are strong at some things and not actually that great in other things and how so few CPUs actually have broad, not too compromised in any one area, performance and other aspects.
 
People scoff at the E cores and I'm not a big fan - but I notice a difference in a lot of tasks between 8/16 CPUs, not just AMD, and my 14700K with the additional 12 E cores, even in stuff which isn't overly CPU heavy but it seems to allow the CPU to be a bit more responsive overall.

Having actually used a variety of CPUs in a variety of different tasks I find that the reviews give a kind of distorted perception of how a lot of modern CPUs stack up and don't represent just how so many CPUs currently are strong at some things and not actually that great in other things and how so few CPUs actually have broad, not too compromised in any one area, performance and other aspects.
100% Spot on!
 
I still find Intel CPUs to be smoother, I don't know how to describe it to be honest.
When in Windows and running multiple tasks, tabbing around what have you, Intel just seems to be smoother, I'm running a 14900KF at the moment and love it.
I tried AMDs latest offerings early in the year 9800x3d and didn't find it that great, Yes gaming it appears to be ahead in FPS, but my overall user experience is better with an Intel chip, hence I went back to Intel and the 14900KF.

That's just my personal opinion and no slight on the AMD chips. Last AMD chip that I loved was my 1300 T-Bird back in early 2000's.
I sort of know what you mean.

I had a PNY 8800GT 512 back in the day and replaced it with an XFX 8800 GT 1gig (IIRC) and the PNY card was much smoother and I regretted my decision.

Intel still make some great value CPUs and some of their CPU features are really cool but looking at the issues that they have been facing with degradation and crashing, I’d still be concerned over the long term reliability of their processors.

That being said, AMD seems to also be facing some reliability issues with their processors and I’m not sure if it’s ASrock at fault or what.

I have an AM4 5700X in my NAS and I’d happily get an Intel CPU if it meant I could use quick sync and AV1 encoding for my JellyFin install.

I do think that Intel might also consider forcing 16th gen to work in the current generation of motherboards to not burn any good faith they have with current Intel buyers but hey, that’s probably not possible.
 
I do think that Intel might also consider forcing 16th gen to work in the current generation of motherboards to not burn any good faith they have with current Intel buyers but hey, that’s probably not possible.

Intel makes a load of money off selling the likes of Dell and HP chipsets. For every CPU Intel sell there is another half dozen supporting chips to make money on.
 
Intel makes a load of money off selling the likes of Dell and HP chipsets. For every CPU Intel sell there is another half dozen supporting chips to make money on.
Sure and that's why they create a new socket even when it's not really any different from the existing design. I still think that they could choose not to do that to give existing customers another generation since there were so many issues with 13th gen.

I know they won't, it's just a case of it would be a way of making some customers who may have been upset at having to RMA their CPUs happier and retain them instead of them leaving to go to AMD.
 
Sure and that's why they create a new socket even when it's not really any different from the existing design. I still think that they could choose not to do that to give existing customers another generation since there were so many issues with 13th gen.

I know they won't, it's just a case of it would be a way of making some customers who may have been upset at having to RMA their CPUs happier and retain them instead of them leaving to go to AMD.

The reality is Intel aren’t going turn down 10’s of billions of Dollars PA to make gamers happy. Intel simple aren’t interested in servicing the enthusiast market and that’s reflected in it’s product stack.
 
The reality is Intel aren’t going turn down 10’s of billions of Dollars PA to make gamers happy. Intel simple aren’t interested in servicing the enthusiast market and that’s reflected in it’s product stack.
Yeah you’re not wrong, they are anything but a charity.
 
I still find Intel CPUs to be smoother, I don't know how to describe it to be honest.
When in Windows and running multiple tasks, tabbing around what have you, Intel just seems to be smoother, I'm running a 14900KF at the moment and love it.
I tried AMDs latest offerings early in the year 9800x3d and didn't find it that great, Yes gaming it appears to be ahead in FPS, but my overall user experience is better with an Intel chip, hence I went back to Intel and the 14900KF.

That's just my personal opinion and no slight on the AMD chips. Last AMD chip that I loved was my 1300 T-Bird back in early 2000's.
I've ended up going back to my 265k build over my 9800X3D because of exactly this.

I love both - the 9800X3D gives me boatloads more FPS (some titles it's 50+ at 1440p) - but everything about the 265k just feels smoother and actually using my PC felt snappier, more responsive and just more enjoyable to use.
 
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