Poll: Official 2025 Dutch Grand Prix Race Thread - Circuit Zandvoort - Race 15/24

Rate the PA race out of ten

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I'd say the on track action is the most fun the watch in that you can actually feel how fast the cars arw going around the banking. It's like eau rouge at spa. It's only really undulating tracka I like to watch the cars. Too often I watch the time screen.

But as to overtaking? Not that good.
 
I didn't see who got driver of the day but was surprised to not see Piastri even in there as a contender when it popped up on the screen on Sky. He's got pole, kept the lead for the entire race under immense pressure, multiple safety car restarts even on hard tyres and was first into every bit of rain and kept it on the black stuff. I think that was a top drive and actually, Norris's bad luck kind of detracted from it somewhat masking a great drive. What will be remembered was the engine failure, but Piastri beat Norris fair and square up until that point and drove really well. I feel he thoroughly deserves this championship and will continue to support him.

I guess this may come up again where the Mclarens are 1/2 and might be wary of following closely for most of a race causing overheating. Or maybe it was just a one off. These failures are pretty rare nowadays.
 
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One more thing.. Can someone remove croft. Unbelievably annoying. And it's not just the mistakes. Just the voice annoys me
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And it's lights out and away we go.

:rolleyes:

Please can Murray be resurrected from the afterlife?! He could make every start sound like the best thing ever.
 
jaybee said:
I didn't see who got driver of the day but was surprised to not see Piastri even in there as a contender when it popped up on the screen on Sky. He's got pole, kept the lead for the entire race under immense pressure, multiple safety car restarts even on hard tyres and was first into every bit of rain and kept it on the black stuff. I think that was a top drive and actually, Norris's bad luck kind of detracted from it somewhat masking a great drive. What will be remembered was the engine failure, but Piastri beat Norris fair and square up until that point and drove really well. I feel he thoroughly deserves this championship and will continue to support him.
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DOTD very rarely goes to a driver who dominates the weekend. It's usually the guy who generates some action or has an exception result. This week it was Hadjar.
 
jaybee said:
I didn't see who got driver of the day but was surprised to not see Piastri even in there as a contender when it popped up on the screen on Sky. He's got pole, kept the lead for the entire race under immense pressure, multiple safety car restarts even on hard tyres and was first into every bit of rain and kept it on the black stuff. I think that was a top drive and actually, Norris's bad luck kind of detracted from it somewhat masking a great drive. What will be remembered was the engine failure, but Piastri beat Norris fair and square up until that point and drove really well. I feel he thoroughly deserves this championship and will continue to support him.

I guess this may come up again where the Mclarens are 1/2 and might be wary of following closely for most of a race causing overheating. Or maybe it was just a one off. These failures are pretty rare nowadays.
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It's rare that the driver in the fastest car who started on pole gets driver of the day.

It would have been more unusual for him to NOT win. His only competition was Norris, and his engine blew up.

I wouldn't really say it was a "great" drive. He simply did everything I would have expected him to do.

As the poster before said, Hadjar was more deserving. He appeared to be putting that RB higher than where it should be, and he is a rookie which makes it even more impressive. He was fast enough to see off any challenge from the Mercs and Ferraris behind, and was even nipping at Max's tail occasionally.
 
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jaybee said:
I didn't see who got driver of the day but was surprised to not see Piastri even in there as a contender when it popped up on the screen on Sky. He's got pole, kept the lead for the entire race under immense pressure, multiple safety car restarts even on hard tyres and was first into every bit of rain and kept it on the black stuff. I think that was a top drive and actually, Norris's bad luck kind of detracted from it somewhat masking a great drive. What will be remembered was the engine failure, but Piastri beat Norris fair and square up until that point and drove really well.
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Yeah, I agree: Piastri had a great weekend. But DotD is really an award for people who do the unexpected: at this point Piastri dominating in a McLaren is not that. Hadjar keeping his place throughout a chaotic race in a midfield car is remarkable. Hadjar deserved it, IMO.
 
I agree with this week's dotd.

Poor hadjar is gong to end up RBR.... Will he be the next driver turned into mincemeat by verstappen in the RBR rookie slaughter house?
Or will he bring home the bacon rather than ending up bacon!
 
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Liberty won't let Oscar run away with it. It's not good for ratings. Cue the contrived engine failure of Oscar's car at a time that maximises the jeopardy and creates the best entertainment.

/Tinfoil hat

As an aside - I can see Hadjar becoming a very popular driver if he maintains the performance we have seen this season and builds on it for the new regs. Meanwhile Kimi is seemingly in decline, so I wonder if Mercedes might try and get Hadjar? It would be a shame if he went to RBR, but then we don't really know what the 2026 car will be like. If it's been designed around Max, though, I can foresee that they will continue to be a 1 car team and chew through junior drivers.
 
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Meanwhile Kimi is seemingly in decline, so I wonder if Mercedes might try and get Hadjar?
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Lol. No. Class will tell. Antonelli already got a Sprint Pole and a podium. He's shown he can do it, he just needs to build consistency. No way is Toto giving up after a single season.
 
MarcLister said:
And it's lights out and away we go.

:rolleyes:

Please can Murray be resurrected from the afterlife?! He could make every start sound like the best thing ever.
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Go and watch some old stuff on YouTube. As nice an old buffer Murray was, he’s seen in rose tinted spectacles. He got as excited and as shouty as David Croft and made far more mistakes.
 
Feek said:
Go and watch some old stuff on YouTube. As nice an old buffer Murray was, he’s seen in rose tinted spectacles. He got as excited and as shouty as David Croft and made far more mistakes.
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Too right, they were affectionately called Murrayisms...
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BuffetSlayer said:
Liberty won't let Oscar run away with it. It's not good for ratings. Cue the contrived engine failure of Oscar's car at a time that maximises the jeopardy and creates the best entertainment.

/Tinfoil hat
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Zac always seems grumpy when Oscar wins so wouldn’t put it past him to drop a donut into the fuel tank or something.
 
Feek said:
Go and watch some old stuff on YouTube. As nice an old buffer Murray was, he’s seen in rose tinted spectacles. He got as excited and as shouty as David Croft and made far more mistakes.
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To be fair, Murray was 77 and losing his edge when he retired.
 
Commentators are fundamentally different these days, they have oodles of data at their fingers tips, as do the viewers. The Croft's of the world need to be kept for football and sports where people get easily over exited when something minor occurs and feel the need to scream at the TV, as he gets excited when Russell see a rain drop on his visor and it is full sunshine outside, then drones on how it might rain for 30 minutes even though everyone around him is sighing wanting to tell him to STFU.
 
Old F1 commentary was abysmal for the most part and Murray Walker was a lot more error-prone than Crofty.

Go back and watch old F1 races, the standard of commentary is poor, much like the coverage. Pretty much everything is better now, commentators are more informed due to the technology improvements, everything is just a lot more professional, including the commentary.

I get the nostalgia for Murray, but his best assets were that he had a good tone of voice and a passion for the sport, he was not a particularly good commentator and got a pass for his blunders because he was a thoroughly likeable chap whose love for the sport rubbed off on viewers.
 
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Emlyn_Dewar said:
To say he was not a good commentator is ridiculous
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It’s not, he may have been decent many moons ago but for the final decade of his career (many would argue longer…) he was far from good, in fact he was borderline terrible at times.

Rose tinted glasses imo, go back and watch some old f1 races. His commentary has not aged well at all.
 
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