EV general discussion

Nobody has said EVs are the only answer. If only 60% of vehicles are EVs in the world, it will have a massive positive impact on the environment.
 
While I had a PITA with BMW yesterday, I had a really good experience with a road trip up to the Lake District in an EV.


Max range of it is 250 miles and we charged it twice en route - Banbury and Preston.


It worked well as my mum, who came with me, needs to stop regularly to stretch as she has bone cancer.



We begrudgingly used Tesla chargers as they 1. Work a lot better/consistently and 2. They’re much cheaper at 37p a unit with a month membership. Others were around 85p a unit.



At the 37p a unit I worked it out to be cheaper than using a petrol vehicle at 135p per litre of fuel averaging 50 MPG.




Point of the post is just to show non EV owners that longer journeys are absolutely fine if you are happy to stop more than you’d perhaps want to (if you’re a do it all in one go type)
 
ICDP said:
Nobody has said EVs are the only answer. If only 60% of vehicles are EVs in the world, it will have a massive positive impact on the environment.
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But clearly the continuation of burning massive amounts of fossil fuels to move mostly single individuals around relatively short distances is not the way forward.

There isn’t any prospect of decarbonising aviation or shipping any time soon so I’m fully behind the complete electrification of ground transport if that means people can still enjoy doing things like travel and we don’t collapse the global supply chain.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
But clearly the continuation of burning massive amounts of fossil fuels to move mostly single individuals around relatively short distances is not the way forward.

There isn’t any prospect of decarbonising aviation or shipping any time soon so I’m fully behind the complete electrification of ground transport if that means people can still enjoy doing things like travel and we don’t collapse the global supply chain.
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I agree and the people bemoaning EVs aren’t the answer are simply framing the question wrong. They ask “what are the benefits for me” but they should be thinking, “what are the benefits for my kids”.

If by 2030 there is a solution to the on street charging then the only people genuinely needing an ICE for daily use should be catered for. But not the ideological stalwarts who see EVs as some woke liberal culture thing.
 
Yeah i do agree with the 'push' to EV, people can't just carry on blindly without any consideration for the planet or future generations when they can make, in most cases, an incredibly small change to their transportation choices and benefit everyone.

I personally thing all small engined machines for home use should be banned, petrol mowers, strimmers and especially the likes of 2 stroke leaf blowers should be a thing of the past as they're incredibly polluting and there's lots of good alternatives out there now.

But that's just my view, i'd very much like there to be a future for my daughter but so many people seem bent on there not being :(
 
no one bought this magic golf-e anyway so the argument he’s trying to make has zero foundation to stand on. Personally I also think the mandated targets are too aggressive too.

Same with these efficient small cars. No one bought Honda Insights or Audi A2s. No one bought BMW i3s etc etc.

j M&M lecturing about the right car when it’s one he’s borrowing rather than owns tells you everything.
 
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Rilot said:
This is my and his point. People should be allowed to buy what they want. If an EV suits and is a better technology / more appropriate, people will buy them no matter what
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part of that is having to pay fair taxes with the annual miles+manufacturing carbon&climate costs considered, so a v8 used for 3K miles a year, might pay same as high mileage ev.
( including those petrol powered home machines )

If Audi are serious about their R8 ev replacement grill, they will need some incentives https://autos.yahoo.com/articles/hope-audi-tt-fans-leaked-170100664.html
 
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And?
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I think the point is people need to buy such cars new for them to be on second hand market, so its probably confusing to see you advocating people buying new small Japanese cars rather than BEV. Neither are going to create a second hand market of cars that appeal to you second hand.

Anyway better to keep this thread on forum members rather than Youtubers I think.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
No. He’s making stuff up there. Zero evidence of that and this is where the wider spec of automotive grade stuff comes into play over disposable consumer devices.
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Not making stuff up, that is the facts of the chemistry(s) involved - note the use of could, etc. that is the range deterioration starts to come into scope - doesn't mean every battery is going to do it to that extent.

EDIT: Also as I touched on there are mitigations such as pre-heating before charging but there is limits.
 
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Chemical reaction aging and self discharge all slows down at lower temps. Getting power out of the cells is the bigger issue.

No credibility to this claim at all.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
You were suggesting what other people were to buy, and EV only wouldn’t effect 2nd hand buyers like you.

Basically you were being JM levels of myopic.
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I only bought 2nd hand because I didn't like the screens in the new S650 Mustang. I would have bought one rather than a low-milage S550 if the interior had appealed to me.
Not sure how that is being myopic. My opinion is that people shouldn't be forced in to a certain technology of car. People should be able to decide what is the most appropriate technology for their usecase or want. The best technology will win out because that is what people will buy.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Chemical reaction aging and self discharge all slows down at lower temps. Getting power out of the cells is the bigger issue.

No credibility to this claim at all.
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It is in the datasheet for the batteries used - granted typical rating for some of the newer batteries is -30C (7 days) to 60C outside which risk of permanent damage occurs but depending on conditions and state of charge the battery is maintained you'll start to see a risk of non-negligible deterioration outside the range of approx. -15C to 45C for many of the batteries.
 
We have family in Canada who have an old Tesla model S I think it’s nearly 10 years old now and is still happily plodding along. Its used daily and subjected to pretty cold winters well in the - figures. It still gets decent range and no battery issues have been picked up on servicing.
 
Well I was recently crowing about how fast our Ohme charger fitted, but I didn't expect a fox attack!

Last night a blooming fox dug at the plum slate that was covering the cable leading to the charger, exposing a tiny bit of copper on the data cable.

The charger is still reporting to the app fine.

I don't know if it was interested because the area had been disturbed, or if the data cable maybe has some organic matter in it.

Anyway, I wrapped the exposed bit of data cable in insulation tape and covered the cable with white pepper before covering it with plum slate again.

Apparently they don't like chilli peppers, so I'm going to get a big jar of chilli flakes and mix that with the plum slate.

I'll also see about a better way of insulating the exposed bit.

Hopefully that'll put em off.
 
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