Pentagon releases UFO footage

The video is showing information, what that information is is open to interpretation.

It's the same as the tic-tac, gofast, gimble, videos - then the floating jellyfish (remember that?) then we had the helicopter dropping the egg shaped UFO onto the ground.

It's the same merry-go-round, and like you say it's always open to interpretation - there's never anything specific that can be disproven or falsified, they always provide 'just enough' to get everybody temporarily excited, then it goes quiet for 6-12 months, then we go again with a new video.

You watch, within 6-12 months - we'll get another one.

Same circus, same people, (Knapp/Corbell will be front and centre of it)

All a load of bullocks.
 
Also found that a bit of a weird take on Mick's missile video. Really did feel like it was a description of what happened on screen without too much 'this is what it is' summary, although admittedly the word 'balloon' is triggering for some of the internet UAPers.

No need to dredge up the Gofast chat and report again @Pottsey :D ... Couldn't help refreshing my memory, and yeah it used words like perceived, apparent and then wild ranges of speeds 'possible'. I still see no reason to think it's anomalous, we don't have enough data. Mick's trigonometry sits somewhere in the range so no point labelling it as a theory that ignores evidence. Take his videos for what they are - his brand of mathematical analysis. If you prefer the vague reported range of numbers in an AARO report, that's fine too.

both appear to fast for a balloon.
What speed does AARO say the one the missile hit was doing?

Isn't the distance it travels after being hit by a missile too far for a balloon? A balloon would fall directly downward not keep traveling.
It's very far away and looked like it still had some bouyancy. We don't even know what part of the UAP was hit, and maybe it did start falling straight down - do we need to go over parallax again?

I don't have any idea what it was, and not fussed as we don't need to assign every behavior to one kind of airbourne thing.

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Well he's a bloke on the internet showing how he got to the result. He also did an interview with the guy that works at the Pentagon who confirmed it's likely the parallax effect in the Gofast video, so you would have to raise your concerns with them.

The video is showing information, what that information is is open to interpretation. The UAP/UFO crowd says omg amazing tech that break physics. No one else thinks that.
You’re the one that said it’s a ballon so I am taking this up with you not them. As I said before and as Koolpc said. The problem is people are being too quick to dismiss everything as fake and rubbish and coming up with silly explanations to write things off. Its happened time and time again in this thread.

Like I said a while back, I find the people that instantly jump to it’s a bird/ballon to write it off without properly looking at the facts are just as bad as the people that instantly jump to its Aliens with “ omg amazing tech that break physics”

Both sides are going in with a bias and looking for facts that fit what they want it to be and dismiss everything that doesn’t fit. Which is the wrong way to go about this.

You brought GoFast up which is a perfect example. The official investigation was the object moved at up to 162mph which is 93mph faster then wind speed after taking into account parallax. Which rules out a bird or balloon. But you and Mick want to write it off as just Bird/balloon which make no sense given the speeds its moving at. Same for this video Mick West own data seems to show it’s going far too fast for a balloon and doesn’t slow down till after its hit by the missile. The data seems to show the object keeps flying after being hit and doesn't drop down into the ocean like a balloon would. Unless I see proper supporting evidence I dont buy into this balloon nonsense.

Little off topic NASA just this hour have announced the discovery of microbial life on the Martian surface. “'This is the kind of signature that we would see that was made by something biological.'

The live press conference is still going on now. So not had chance to fully watch it or properly absorb the information.
 
That's why I said 'I think it's' and not 'this is definitely x'. I don't know what it actually is, but the video seems to show in my opinion as a lay person a missile hitting a balloon type object.

I think Mick West just gave his opinion as well using the same phrase. Even the Pentagon guy said 'after analysis it likely' NOT 'this is definitely'.

We would need a better video to determine what the video actually is, without we can fill in whatever bias we choose.

Balloon explanation doesn't rely on breaking the laws of physics, because we know that's not possible, right? :) We can infer that we must be mistaken if we go down that path. You're gonna need to do better than that video for me to believe otherwise.

Congress need to lay off the Facebook videos.
 
@keyser van someone Part of that is what I was about to say, It think the bias is better described as 'something plausible' versus 'something that defies our understanding of engineering or physics'.

Personally I think they're both floaty droney things, and nothing to get excited about. The way the missile moves however, I'm much more interested in! That looks crazy considering it's meant to be going at 200mph? I don't know anything about missiles.

official investigation was the object moved at up to 162mph which is 93mph faster then wind speed

'up to' is still a range! The report also says it moved down to very low speeds.


Mick West own data seems to show it’s going far too fast

To quote Mick just afer 2m11 "isn't actually moving that fast"
 
“It's all just exactly the same retort again though, isn't it?”
No, it’s not if you bothered to look into it. They are finding more and more supporting evidence with a growing list of supporting whistle-blowers who worked directly inside and alongside these special access programs. Which is not what would happen if this is all BS. In fact, the opposite it happening. At every step of the way the evidence is being produced. Which goes directly against the BS theory you made up about selling books.

Furthermore, you said these people talking BS would have zero evidence. But you were 100% wrong as they all stood up and backed them self-up with large amounts of supporting evidence. Even the new people are saying there have classified evidence and are willing to hand it all over in a secure environment. That is not something that a BS speaking person trying to sell books would say or do. You said Grush would never provide any evidence yet they called him into a classified setting and he handed over the classified data which according to you he didn't have, yet he stood up and produced it.

The way you describe this as a bunch of people talking nonsense without evidence doesn’t fit the facts.

If like you say this is all a made-up story with no evidence, how do you explain Congress looking into the evidence David Grush handed over and finding more whistle-blowers directly inside the programs? How do you explain the evidence Congress has gained access to?

At this point its pretty clear the illegally run special access programs you dismissed are in fact real. The crash retrieval teams again you dismissed them turned out to be real. The technology be it human made experimental Skunk work style like I think it is or something else seems to be real.

The threats and retaliation against whistle-blowers trying to expose these illegally run program again you dismissed and joked them away but Congress have confirm they are real.

All this stuff about BS to sell books from the usual suspects its made up by you. This has nothing to do with the usually suspects trying to sell books for cash.

The people like Dylan Borland, Joe Spielberger, Chief Alexandro Wiggins, Jeffrey Nuccatelli, David Grusch and many of the others are the real deal. Not BS like you keep saying. None of them have anything to do with selling books for cash.

It’s about a serious matter that needs investigating and your trying to dismiss it as a joke.

If you take out the aliens stuff all the rest seems to be real and has supporting evidence. That being UAPs, illegally run special access programs, crash retrieval teams, threats against people, experimental technology, large sums of money being diverted without Congress oversight. This is all serious stuff that needs looking into not being dismissed as a joke.

Take this quote

“I was further exposed to classified information from the UAP legacy crash retrieval program through a sensitive position I held within a Special Access Program (SAP). During this time, intelligence officers approached me in fear for their own careers, citing misconduct within these programs and the same retaliation I was already enduri
ng.”
Look, if you want to say its not Alien Technology I am fine with that. As you know I think its human made skunk work style technology anyway. But its clear these are real people trying to report misconduct and they really did work in these classified Special Access Program they say they did. They deserve better then being dismissed as BS trying to sell books.

What if its not BS trying to sell books and this misconduct is real? Which is what its strongly looking like now.
 
Why did someone fire a hellfire missile at it anyway?

I'm pretty sure you don't fire those things off just for a laugh. I would imagine there is a pretty comprehensive identification process before you shoot a lethal (and expensive) missile at anything. I'm sure there is a rather extensive paper trail surrounding this - where is it?

I really think this is a nothing burger.
 
That's why I said 'I think it's' and not 'this is definitely x'. I don't know what it actually is, but the video seems to show in my opinion as a lay person a missile hitting a balloon type object.

I think Mick West just gave his opinion as well using the same phrase. Even the Pentagon guy said 'after analysis it likely' NOT 'this is definitely'.

We would need a better video to determine what the video actually is, without we can fill in whatever bias we choose.

Balloon explanation doesn't rely on breaking the laws of physics, because we know that's not possible, right? :) We can infer that we must be mistaken if we go down that path. You're gonna need to do better than that video for me to believe otherwise.

Congress need to lay off the Facebook videos.
That's kind of my point though. For the balloon explanation to work it often does need to break the laws of physics like in the gofast video. That's why I dislike it to much when people jump to its just a balloon as often that is as crazy as saying its aliens. Balloons do not move at 162mph which is 93mph faster then wind speed that breaks the laws of physics.

Like a lot of people my opinion of Mick West is he is extremely bias and doesn't view the facts fairly or openly. He has a history of editing data to suit his agenda. There is a reason he was banned for life on Wikipedia. He also got caught hiring a fake navy expert to back him up in his fake debunk related to the Gimble video. I just dont understand why you keep posting his nonsense videos like they are fact. I dont trust a thing he says any more then I would trust random youtubers saying its aliens. The fact he has been caught out so many times is enough to not take a word he says seriously.
 
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I would imagine it was fired from something like a Predator drone which would likely have been armed for ground attack in Yemen.
There was two MQ9 drones. I didn't catch the precise type. One tracking and the one that fired. It was a warzone so I suspect you are right about equipped for ground attack.
 
Well according to military.com

it can also be used as an air-to-air weapon against helicopters or slow-moving fixed-wing aircraft.

Hellfire can be used as an air-to-air or an air-to-ground missile.

so its not unheard of for it to be used against airborne targets
 
That's kind of my point though. For the balloon explanation to work it often does need to break the laws of physics like in the gofast video. That's why I dislike it to much when people jump to its just a balloon as often that is as crazy as saying its aliens. Balloons do not move at 162mph which is 93mph faster then wind speed that breaks the laws of physics.

Like a lot of people my opinion of Mick West is he is extremely bias and doesn't view the facts fairly or openly. He has a history of editing data to suit his agenda. There is a reason he was banned for life on Wikipedia. He also got caught hiring a fake navy expert to back him up in his fake debunk related to the Gimble video. I just dont understand why you keep posting his nonsense videos like they are fact. I dont trust a thing he says any more then I would trust random youtubers saying its aliens. The fact he has been caught out so many times is enough to not take a word he says seriously.
No need to invoke Mick West at all.

Here's the Head of The Pentagon’s UAP Taskforce, Dr. Jon Kosloski stating what Gofast likely is. Not the extact quote but "We don't know exactly what that object is but we do know it's moving at wind speed" followed by "consistent with a bird or balloon".


That's good enough for me! Any further mention of Gofast, please see this video / take it up with The Pentagon’s UAP Taskforce!
 
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No need to invoke Mick West at all.

Here's the Head of The Pentagon’s UAP Taskforce, Dr. Jon Kosloski stating what Gofast likely is. Not the extact quote but "We don't know what exactly what that object is but we do know it's moving at wind speed" followed by "consistent with a bird or balloon"


That's go enough for me! Any further mention of Gofast, please see this video / take it up with The Pentagon’s UAP Taskforce!
What is talked about in the congress hearings is good enough for me....take it up with congress
 
NASA just held a press conference where they outlined their completion of first analysis of last year's Martian rock samples that looked curious to scientists. This analysis states that these weird rocks contain formations created by past life on Mars, with further analysis ongoing. They would not have held this press conference without having the confidence in the first round of results.

We know Mars was once like Earth and once its core stopped generating a magnetic field, the atmosphere was stripped away by the solar wind. be interesting to see one day what lies beneath the surface as it's not geologically active and has not been for millions of years, so any buried fossils etc should be well preserved.
 
No, it’s not if you bothered to look into it. They are finding more and more supporting evidence with a growing list of supporting whistle-blowers who worked directly inside and alongside these special access programs.

And what “evidence” do we have this time around?

A helicopter lowering an egg into the ground?
A duck flying across the sea?
A video of lens flare?
A man on newsnation saying the government recovered aliens?


Remind me again, what evidence exactly did we get?
 
And what “evidence” do we have this time around?

A helicopter lowering an egg into the ground?
A duck flying across the sea?
A video of lens flare?
A man on newsnation saying the government recovered aliens?


Remind me again, what evidence exactly did we get?
We got Congress being handed evidence. Investigating that evidence, taking field trips to the locations provided and sayings its credible. We had SAPs David was talking about looked into and the people inside those SAPs being found and confirming they are real. We had further first hand whistle-blowers who passed background checks and hold the correct rank and security clearance from inside these SAP confirmed its real. We had further confirmation of pretty much everything I listed.

Then we have you, who has been wrong time and time again saying the opposite.

Plus he just had NASA confirming microbe alien biological life was active on Mars.

If this was all a fake story made up to sell books why are more and more whistle-blowers coming forward and passing background checks? If its all a story to sell books how come all these people have classified evidence that is being handed over? If all this is a story to sell books how come all these classified UAP departments have tuned out to be real with large teams?

You said David was all BS and had no evidence, so how do you explain them calling him into a SKIF getting the evidence then finding these SAP are real with people working inside them like Dylan Borland? People who confirmed the same data as David was saying. What's your explanation? because saying its all BS to sell books doesn't remotely make any sense and stopped making sense years ago. Come on then, explain how they found people like Dylan Borland and the others. Are they all in on this scam idea of yours to sell books?
 
Well according to military.com



so its not unheard of for it to be used against airborne targets
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i guess it could in theory but it's weird choice, even if it was the only ordnance they had available at the time, tracking and locking ground targets is a different animal to aerial ones.
 
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i guess it could in theory but it's weird choice, even if it was the only ordnance they had available at the time, tracking and locking ground targets is a different animal to aerial ones.
Not merely in theory,

  • In 2001, the Israeli Air Force successfully used Hellfire missiles to shoot down a Lebanese Cessna 152 that had entered Israeli airspace.

  • Israeli forces also used a Hellfire to destroy an Iranian UAV in 2018. Additionally, the U.S. Army's MQ Gray Eagle drones have been tested for shooting down smaller drones with Hellfire missiles.
 
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