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We will never have cheap energy, it is policy. You can spend to insulate and hence use less and pay less or run your own solar power station but energy use causes climate change as we are led to believe.
Somebody has to pay for a huge expansion in the grid and that will be the energy user.
 
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I renewed my Fix with EonNext for 2 years (starts in Oct)... Looked at Octopus and they are actually more expensive :eek:

Next Fixed 24m v34:
Elec - 25.07p/kWh, 54.25p Daily SC
Gas - 6.09p/kWh, 29.97p Daily SC

Usage is 1,370kWh Elec and 3,214kWh Gas annually (figures from Eon Next themselves who I have been with for 3 years)
 
So who's got the best deals at the moment? It's coming to winter and my year fix ends soon. Cheap gas would be great.
 
My gas fix is also up in October and I've renewed with Octopus, 1 year fix.

5.65p per kWh
32.52p standing charge.

For my usage I would be £4/year less on your deal (your unit is less but SC is higher - no idea why :confused:)
 
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We will never have cheap energy, it is policy. You can spend to insulate and hence use less and pay less or run your own solar power station but energy use causes climate change as we are led to believe.
Somebody has to pay for a huge expansion in the grid and that will be the energy user.
that is as maybe but i would rather my bills be high due to upgrading the grid and investing in renewables rather than paying for frakking & / or burning fossil fuels.

also cheap is relative...... electricity could come down by 25% which am sure most would celebrate but it would still not be cheap as such
 
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that is as maybe but i would rather my bills be high due to upgrading the grid and investing in renewables rather than paying for frakking & / or burning fossil fuels.

also cheap is relative...... electricity could come down by 25% which am sure most would celebrate but it would still not be cheap as such

Yes, we pay £2 per day most of the year and £7 in winter. It is pretty reasonable as it is.

No panels, no battery. Three bed semi.
 
Yes, we pay £2 per day most of the year and £7 in winter. It is pretty reasonable as it is.

No panels, no battery. Three bed semi.
as more people move from Gas however and buy into electric cars, electricity use is gonna go up significantly however, so the grid is going to need to be upgraded. Also whilst i fully believe a well installed heatpump in a decently insulated house will be no more expensive than gas, unfortunately it seems some people have less than ideal installs and our housing stock is famously poorly insulated so many people will be using far more electricity than they really need to.

All of this has to be accounted for when we migrate to more renewable energy.

Fossil fuels despite being very polluting have been amazing for providing almost limitless energy and whilst i am completely onboard with renewables, they undoubtedly do come with challenges which need to be (but can be) overcome which burning dinosaurs didnt have.

as an aside it amazes (and impresses) me that despite all the EVs on the road and more people getting heatpumps we are still as a country not at our peak electricity use of a few decades or so ago. Apparently this is down to more efficient white goods and TVs......... and also getting rid of old 100w light bulbs and going to LEDs/energy savers.

Taking that in good faith (i havent fact checked to much but seen the claim from multiple sources) that blows my mind.
 
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I'm no socialist but the SDP make a genuine socialist argument for cheap energy in Energy Abundance and given they are a minute party it is one of the better thought our energy policies I've read in the last 20 years. Certainly beats pouring money down the renewable drain to enrich foreign investors.
 
Certainly beats pouring money down the renewable drain to enrich foreign investors.
it isnt a renewable drain!. as for enriching foreign investors, this is as maybe but we only have ourselves - as a country - to blame for that for us not investing in our own infrastructure.

imo you cant argue it from both sides - tho our dodgy media loves to.

apparently we are making johnny foreigner rich by paying them to use their installed wind turbines etc....... but at the same time renewable energy is unprofitable. Surely it cant be both things, its either not profitable in which case the french etc wont be making any profit from their investment in our offshore wind.

or it is profitable and we surrendered potentially lucrative home generated energy to foreign countries.

we need the energy and if we were not prepared to build it ourselves someone else was always going to.
 
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Well renewables are unprofitable for the UK consumer but the sheer desperation of the entire UK political class has made it lucrative for renewables owners with required subsidies growing ever higher. The lack of UK businesses is largely due to 2 deliberate New Labour policies, the break up of the major UK utilies for the very purpose of foreign investment and Prudence Brown changing pension fund investment rules to improve the market for UK Gilts at the expense of direct investment in infrastructure.
 
Every new house built should have solar panels fitted, that should be a requirement when planning permission is granted. We have hundreds of new houses being built in Elgin yet there are no new schools, no new hospitals, no new doctors surgery's, no new dentists just making existing services even worse. From what I can see from the main road not one house has solar panels fitted.
 
Every new house built should have solar panels fitted, that should be a requirement when planning permission is granted. We have hundreds of new houses being built in Elgin yet there are no new schools, no new hospitals, no new doctors surgery's, no new dentists just making existing services even worse. From what I can see from the main road not one house has solar panels fitted.
i agree, also heatpumps only. You can make a case for heatpumps not working in old properties which would need major work.......... but new builds? it should not even be worthy of a discussion.

in my home town they recently opened a massive new reycling centre/ rubbish dump. its all indoor in a huge brand new purpose built warehouse. They have reclying stats up and what not and claim to take renewables v seriously.

and yet not 1 single solar panel on the roof. it is huge as well. weight not withstanding they could have put many 100s of panels on it and generated a ton of energy. Inside the warehouse they have a handful of JCBs and other machinery crushing and sorting the materials. that machinery could be EV powered and run off their own roof. Sure, initial expense but long term would pay for itself and more, plus no issues with indoor air quality with ICE engines running etc.
 
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Every new house built should have solar panels fitted, that should be a requirement when planning permission is granted. We have hundreds of new houses being built in Elgin yet there are no new schools, no new hospitals, no new doctors surgery's, no new dentists just making existing services even worse. From what I can see from the main road not one house has solar panels fitted.

I've said this before but I was unable to find a time when housebuilding actually provided the schools, the hospitals, the doctors surgerys or the dentists.

Some times when places like new towns were set up there were some provisions and where I live for example the land for new school was allocated and built, but historically I struggle to find much at all in the way of planning for or actual development like you mention.

Historically the local authorities and or local enterprise would set those things up depending what your talking about.
All we seem to be doing now is bashing the house builders for not providing services that the state should be doing.

A lot of the houses near me do have panels so I suspect its a local planning thing. Problem is its a pretty silly provision. Often a large roof with 4 inset panels smack bang in the middle.
Completely daft as for a sensible system they would need to be pulled out and done again, or just over panelled.

For me it would be far more sensible and far easier to legislate that there must be the provision for panels covering at least 75% of the roof (ie wiring that will support that), and that suitable location is provided with the basic wiring in place.
Also it should provide that a battery of 10kwh minimum could be sited there with the inverter etc.
It would add a tiny amount to the build costs but would make installation far easier.
 
Ditched Octopus as supplier of my gas today, electric was already with Tomato. With winter approaching I wanted to get rid of 6.25p per kWh and got a decent 13 month fix with British Gas for a penny a unit cheaper. Standing charge is 2.5p per day more expensive but that's nothing compared to the unit cost. Switch is supposed to be completed in five days so we will see how long it takes Octopus to refund my £400 balance.
 
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decided to fix my electricity and gas rates for 12 months, Octopus energy
Elec - 24.38p/kWh, 45.1p Daily SC
Gas - 5.85p/kWh, 33.61p Daily SC
 
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