Is ChatGPT/AI making kids stupid?

I'd say there's a phenomenon going on where people's attention spans are shortening to point of seconds.
I think it started with social media pushing more and more instant gratification onto people.

Now kids are developing with this constant information stream. No more so you had to put effort into finding things.
You don't even have to search anymore. Facebook etc have a constant stream of videos lasting seconds.

How this plays out long term? Who knows!
 
Yes it's making kids dumb, but also seeing examples of adults running their writing through an LLM and it looks silly e.g. the tech exhibitions thread on here recently
 
AI is the latest tool - if you go back far enough the same question was raised about: calculators, laser spirit levels, the internet, sat nav, you name it.
Ultimately any tool will de-skill us a bit, and that's the sacrifice you make for the ease, convenience and benefit of using the tool.
A better question is, should we incorporate more education around basic skills for kids, for you know... when doomsday comes and all we have left is sticks...
 
The main issue is that people don’t question the answers, and these LLMs are known for being confidently incorrect. People blindly trust them and assume it’s doing what’s expected.

They’re great for enhancing your workflow, but that still requires you to know what you’re doing. You can’t replace real skills.
 
No, schools not teaching kids to pass tests instead of educating them nor equipping them to be capable of critical thinking has made them stupid.

FB/TikTok/X hasn’t helped.

I don't think you meant to include the word "not" there ;)

Also that's nothing new, schools were teaching kids to pass tests instead of educating them 30 years ago when I was there!
 
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The main issue is that people don’t question the answers, and these LLMs are known for being confidently incorrect. People blindly trust them and assume it’s doing what’s expected.

They’re great for enhancing your workflow, but that still requires you to know what you’re doing. You can’t replace real skills.
that's the crux, when you say real skills -- the world is no longer the simpler place it was 100, 50 or 20 years ago. The sum of human knowledge increases at a pace faster than we can keep up in the conventional ways and we now need technology to chaperone us through life. My kids surpise me by the depth of both knowledge and ignorance for example.
Like it or not, we need AI
 
I’d say yes

I was in a cafe close to a university a few months ago and a student aged lad spent the whole 90 minutes I was there clearly studying with just ChatGPT, which I thought was rather odd
 
I had a bit of an argument with someone (younger generation) recently who seemed quite convinced of the "facts" they were basing their argument on, even though they were talking complete nonsense, and only towards the end threw in a comment about how "even just querying ChatGPT would 'show me' never mind actually understanding the topic" at which point the penny dropped, though they denied it, ChatGPT was misinterpreting a couple of forum posts and presenting wrong information as fact.

Recently I had Google AI hallucinate a completely fictional air accident, with details, and present it to me as an actual event, unfortunately (or fortunately depending how you look at it) when I redid the search it had already corrected itself. Which is quite concerning given how the younger generations seem to be utilising AI more and more.

I think AI models like ChatGPT are powerful tools, but younger people seem to be using them as crutches. I'd even go as far to say that ChatGPT is the best search engine on the internet right now, the nonsense you get from the likes of Google and its much weaker AI delivered results is going to push people into a real life Idiocracy much like the bloody movie. You cannot take what these things state as gospel, but you absolutely can follow the sources (which should always be readily available for any search/question) of information in the better models to verify and make use of said information. If it's drawing nonsense data from user reviews or social media posts it's easy to discard and rightfully so.
 
When interacting with them in person, or in meetings etc, they act & behave really...oddly
It's like a piece of their brains hasn't developed properly.

Sounds like you’re just describing young people..

I’d say yes

I was in a cafe close to a university a few months ago and a student aged lad spent the whole 90 minutes I was there clearly studying with just ChatGPT, which I thought was rather odd

As opposed to studying with.. Google or.. a book?

Yes chatgpt’s effect is being researched and I believe proving to be making people a bit thicker but the way I see it, it’s just another evolution of technology.. No different to moving away from horses or having to build your own shelter, factories having machines no longer requiring people to craft things, Encarta 98 being an easy to search encyclopaedia or Google having every bit of information at your finger tips. Technology continues to make life easier and easier. Eventually we’ll all become irrelevant ;)
 
I had a bit of an argument with someone (younger generation) recently who seemed quite convinced of the "facts" they were basing their argument on, even though they were talking complete nonsense, and only towards the end threw in a comment about how "even just querying ChatGPT would 'show me' never mind actually understanding the topic" at which point the penny dropped, though they denied it, ChatGPT was misinterpreting a couple of forum posts and presenting wrong information as fact.

Recently I had Google AI hallucinate a completely fictional air accident, with details, and present it to me as an actual event, unfortunately (or fortunately depending how you look at it) when I redid the search it had already corrected itself. Which is quite concerning given how the younger generations seem to be utilising AI more and more.
You only need to ask these AIs the same question in a slightly different way and they can give you a completely different answer.
 
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We have a contractor at work at the moment… I swear that he’s AI-ing everything.

Looking at his work.. it’s just so inconsistent within the same piece of work.. some of it is over exaggerated/complicated, while some of it is under par..

It particularly shows with his coding.. I’m used to seeing students copy and paste from sites but this is next level. some of which is very over complex, and there’s parts that are like “really”…. It feels more like a mash of coding by different people’s.

He seems also to be 5 minutes behind every conversation too.. we covered something, move on.. then he makes a suggestion or asks a question that we have already covered.

Yeah we do A B then C
5 minutes later.. can we do this?
We don’t need to as it’s covered by action A and B.. I don’t think he’s understanding the correlation.
 
I don't know if it's ChatGBT or what, but GenZ are just plain dumb as ****. I know they've attended school, college or university but they just come across as thick and uneducated, but it's not just that - they're stupid with it and seem to have no common-sense at all. Some of the **** we see at work is unbelievable.
 
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Alec from Technology Connections had the same observation but theorised it was due to the way younger generations interact with the internet. They go on it to see what it serves them whereas older folk tend to go on it to find a thing. Therefore if they don't know something, well that's that as it either gets delivered to them or not but older generations know how to find stuff out cause that is how we use the internet, and books and asking the right people.


Now with AI, they have a way of finding stuff out but are completely reliant on it. And with AI being so overly eager to please it comes out with confident guff that they don't check.
 
Yesterday I was in a large PI meeting and the PA for the CIO accidentally put in the chat "whats the middle of 75 and 100", then I got sad for society. In the same way this thread makes me sad.
 
I had an "argument" with a friend about this topic yesterday. He's on here, no idea if he'll chip in. I've been using ChatGPT to, amongst other things, help me write essays for the MBA I'm studying for.

I'm 35. I haven't written an essays since I finished my GCSEs, so nearly 20 years ago. Starting the degree, I was told I'd have to write these 3,000, 5,000, and even 15,000 word essays about things. I had no idea how to do that, so ChatGPT helped me structure it etc. His argument was that I should learn how to do it myself, which I appreciate, but I'd also argue that writing essays has no practical benefit to my life and is just a requirement to demonstrate learning in the degree.

Obviously the extent to which you use ChatGPT for this varies. I try and develop a structure for the work using it, then I input my original ideas, and we work together to write that up. I must admit that sometimes I get a complete mental block and ask it to do sections for me, but in that case I'm still getting it to incorporate my ideas. I did give up a bit on a recent literature review - I had no idea what that was until about two weeks ago when he showed me some of his own. I'd never even heard of one, and the guidance we got from the uni sort of suggested that you would already know what one was and how to write one - I didn't. In effect, it's just collating and reporting on information relevant to your thesis so that you can define your niche for the thesis. I think you could argue that you don't actually need any particular skill for that - it's just ingesting and regurgitating information in an organised manner.

So, I'm not sure where I stand. I get the point - we need to learn how to do certain things. But, in my mind AI would ideally be doing many, many things on our behalf, freeing humans from work to focus on creative pursuits, etc.
 
I've been meeting some workplace apprentices recently.
A few of them heavily use AI tools.
When interacting with them in person, or in meetings etc, they act & behave really...oddly
It's like a piece of their brains hasn't developed properly.
Some have nicknamed them 'prompt zombies' or a development of the 'GenZ stare'

Wondering if anyone else who works/interacts with kids say age 16-20 has noticed anything similar?

Generative AI bots have been around for 2-3yrs now so I wonder if this is the emergence of a new thing that i'm witnessing in real time.
i guess it may be part of it......... but i tend to blame social media and youtube more tbh.

itsnt the argument against AI similar to the one used against calculators 40 years ago?...... sure if you utterly rely on it its bad, but as another tool in your locker then it is a good thing imo.
 
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Yesterday I was in a large PI meeting and the PA for the CIO accidentally put in the chat "whats the middle of 75 and 100", then I got sad for society. In the same way this thread makes me sad.
I felt bad for taking 5 seconds to do that math in my head, buy happy that I got there myself on the first try.

Strange days, indeed.
 
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