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9800X3D Failures/Deaths in the UK?

I've been following the Asrock problems with interest since they really started to be talked about, I've been using an Asrock B650I mini iTX board myself since around alte Feb early March ....but the key difference is I have been using it with a 7900X3D, so not a 9000 series chip and I haven't had any problems I also have never updated the Bios, which is on 3.15 iirc. From what I can tell though it's still very unclear weather the latest Bios actually does resolve the issue, the thing is, there is a good chance that people who update to it and still suffer chip deaths have already done the damage on the older Bios ...so it's tough to say right now. All we can really do at the moment is take Asrock's word for it ...and I wouldn't do that :)

I certainly wouldn't put a 9000 series chip into my board though, at least not without flashing to Bios 3.4 first on my 7000 series.
 
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Does this just affect asrock boards or is it all AM5 boards
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90+% of the issues seem to be on ASRock boards but a small number of other instances of the same type of failure has been seen on other brands - not just accounted for by sales volume differences.

A complete guess but based on observations from various sources I'd say that likely the CPUs themselves have relatively small margin for this failure, which isn't normally a problem but in some cases it can be exposed by ASRock boards [on older BIOS] combined with a batch or small number of batches with even thinner margin which can fail on any board [including updated BIOS boards].
 
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I've been following the Asrock problems with interest since they really started to be talked about, I've been using an Asrock B650I mini iTX board myself since around alte Feb early March ....but the key difference is I have been using it with a 7900X3D, so not a 9000 series chip and I haven't had any problems I also have never updated the Bios, which is on 3.15 iirc. From what I can tell though it's still very unclear weather the latest Bios actually does resolve the issue, the thing is, there is a good chance that people who update to it and still suffer chip deaths have already done the damage on the older Bios ...so it's tough to say right now. All we can really do at the moment is take Asrock's word for it ...and I wouldn't do that :)

I certainly wouldn't put a 9000 series chip into my board though, at least not without flashing to Bios 3.4 first on my 7000 series.
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You're missing out on AGESA updates which come with enhancements, bug fixes and compatibility improvements. I think on 3.15 you are like, four versions behind.
 
I have 2 x 9800X3D CPUs on a gigabyte X870 Eagle motherboards and they have both been rock solid since they where built.

1 was over Christmas 2024 and the other was July 2025

1 is on the latest bios and the 1 is on the revision before.
 
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The Asrock subreddit has near multiple posts a day of AM5 cpus dying going back up to 9 months or more and its not only a 9800X3D problem its killing various Zen 4 and Zen 5 cpus. This is still happening after multiple bios updates of which a small number have had more than one CPU die on them, the bios updates have caused performance/stability problems of that some have had to adjust their bios settings or overclocks.

The lack of coverage and lukewarm responce from hardware/techtube space has been intresting.
 
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The lack of coverage and lukewarm responce from hardware/techtube space has been intresting.
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I find it amusing - there are more daily reports of Zen 4 and 5 CPUs dying or failing, even adjusted for sales volume differences, than Intel 13th and 14th gen and the scale of both problems, in reality, in the grand scheme of things, so far seems fairly similar - very much an edge case but a real issue, yet all you hear is how 13th/14th gen CPUs ARE DYING IN MASSES hysteria (which so far is completely detached from reality) and total silence on the AMD front.
 
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You're missing out on AGESA updates which come with enhancements, bug fixes and compatibility improvements. I think on 3.15 you are like, four versions behind.
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Yea I know, generally I only do Bios updates if I have a good reason to do so, as in, is there a feature or function I want, a bug fix I want or compatibility I need. It's definitely a good idea on the 9000 series chips for obvious reasons but for my 7000 series I'm not really seeing a compelling reason to do so, however that 3.15 was being used in a lot of the confirmed 9000 series deaths so maybe it's worth upgrading, I dunno, I'll look into it further when I have some time to do so.
 
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I find it amusing - there are more daily reports of Zen 4 and 5 CPUs dying or failing, even adjusted for sales volume differences, than Intel 13th and 14th gen and the scale of both problems, in reality, in the grand scheme of things, so far seems fairly similar - very much an edge case but a real issue, yet all you hear is how 13th/14th gen CPUs ARE DYING IN MASSES hysteria (which so far is completely detached from reality) and total silence on the AMD front.
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I think its because the Intel thing is a design issue so all chips are possibly "defective" and require lower power therefore reduced performance to fix. That's very different from a single motherboard manufacturer making dodgy decisions on power profiles and burning up a (mainly) single SKU of CPU. At least thats still the current assumption as afaik AMD are blaming Asrock still and Asrock are saying everyis fixed with a new BIOS which anecdotally doesnt appear to be the case.
 
Again, Asrock sold over two million AM5 motherboards.
9000 series X3D were the biggest percentage of sales for the new platform.
Just over 100 verified CPU failures involving cCPUs that were on or had been used with the old 3.15 bios

Decimal point issues. More users were hit by the latest W11 patch
 
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Intel issue was a

I think its because the Intel thing is a design issue so all chips are possibly "defective" and require lower power therefore reduced performance to fix. That's very different from a single motherboard manufacturer making dodgy decisions on power profiles and burning up a (mainly) single SKU of CPU. At least thats still the current assumption as afaik AMD are blaming Asrock still and Asrock are saying everyis fixed with a new BIOS which anecdotally doesnt appear to be the case.
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Possibly but despite the hysteria and a couple of unverified instances which strangely haven't been replicated elsewhere, there isn't actually evidence of large scale 13th and 14th gen CPUs failing as of yet and actual reports consistent with the known failure mechanisms are less frequent as of so far than the reports of Zen 4 and 5 CPUs dying - which can be seen on a number of forums and Reddit.

Which is a bit amusing given the stink kicked up over the Intel issues.
 
So am I safe to assume that whatever I buy now, will be fine, given the BIOS updates since? Was it mainly AsRock and a few MSI's, and another brand? I forget who?
Was the issue purely down to a BIOS issue with giving PBO too much juice, or what exactly?
I'll be honest, I didn't look too much into it, as I figured a BIOS update would have fixed it by the time I got round to building a new system anyway :P
 
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Possibly but despite the hysteria and a couple of unverified instances which strangely haven't been replicated elsewhere, there isn't actually evidence of large scale 13th and 14th gen CPUs failing as of yet and actual reports consistent with the known failure mechanisms are less frequent as of so far than the reports of Zen 4 and 5 CPUs dying - which can be seen on a number of forums and Reddit.

Which is a bit amusing given the stink kicked up over the Intel issues.
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From what I've seen the only exisitng AMD issue is 9800X3Ds dying on Asrock boards (ignoringgeneral "stuff breaks sometimes" failures).
On release some 7000 series were burning but again it appeard to be incorrect power tuning, afaik there isn't an inherent problem with AMD CPUs themselves unlike Intel who have confirmed the issue themselves so we don't need to go by reddit posts.
 
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we don't need to go by reddit posts
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The point is the Reddit megathreads (i.e. as linked a few posts back https://old.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1mvgndh/9000series_cpu_failuresdeaths_megathread_2/ ) are actually a reasonable indicator as to ongoing CPU failures - while it isn't a massive issue there are almost if not daily reports of 9000 series failures consistent with this issue, beyond just ASRock though predominantly ASRock, as well as still a trickle of 7000 series having a similar type of issue (I've not bothered to look into the root cause there). While the Intel issues which had a massive stink kicked up about are rarely reported - in the main Intel megathread for it you have to go back 3 months to the last reported instance consistent with the known degradation problems. There are some potential signs of Intel 13th and 14th gen issues with Borderlands 4 but given all the issues with the game and significant issues with crashing over a broad range of CPUs it isn't clear at the moment.
 
I meant reddit threads for anything non 9800X3D/Asrock 850/870 related, of which there are some of course but that's expected as all hardware has failures.

The point being that for AMD the failures seem mostly limited to that combination, for Intel it's a part of the CPU (albeit triggered by voltage) not just a settings issue and has been 'fixed' by reduced limits on boards so that chips don't hit that degradation line as quick as they were before with an associated reduction in performance. They are different issues in my mind, both bad, but the AMD fix is as easy as people not buying an Asrock board if you ever want a 9000 series X3D whereas the Intel issue is a bit woolier and so you can't easily or confidently say it'll never be a problem on any combination of CPU or board.
 
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I meant reddit threads for anything non 9800X3D/Asrock 850/870 related, of which there are some of course but that's expected as all hardware has failures.

The point being that for AMD the failures seem mostly limited to that combination, for Intel it's a part of the CPU (albeit triggered by voltage) not just a settings issue and has been 'fixed' by reduced limits on boards so that chips don't hit that degradation line as quick as they were before with an associated reduction in performance. They are different issues in my mind, both bad, but the AMD fix is as easy as people not buying an Asrock board if you ever want a 9000 series X3D whereas the Intel issue is a bit woolier and so you can't easily or confidently say it'll never be a problem on any combination of CPU or board.
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When you consider the number of CPUs sold both, so far, are very much edge cases, the evidence suggests that it is happening on other boards not just ASRock but with a far lower chance of happening - I think someone mentioned something like 1% and 4% of the failures consistent with this issue are on Gigabyte and MSI boards. Which then leads to the bit I find amusing in that the Intel issue has generated a lot of stink but the AMD one hasn't.
 
It sort of has, there are multiple videos and articles on it from big names.

I think the difference is that if someone is asking for CPU recommendations its easier to say "buy AMD" as they're fast, have future upgrade paths and as long as you avoid combination X then it'll be fine vs Intel 13th/14th where it's a dead platform with an unknown combination that *might* one day kill your CPU
 
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