Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [20th - 21st September 2025]

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engee said:
Wolves are in a right mess. I bet their fans would love a Nuno return.
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C Kent said:
Pereira just signed a new 3 year deal hasn't he, odd decision.
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No thanks on Nuno, but yes we're in a mess... however i'm unsure how any club can sell it's best players year on year, and replace them with untried youngsters, and expect to stay in the premier league.. Pereira has to take some of the blame, but the board has to take most of it..

in the last 3 years we've sold, Matheus Cunha, Rayan Aït-Nouri, Pedro Neto, Maximilian Kilman, Daniel Podence, Matheus Nunes, Rúben Neves, Raúl Jiménez, Adama Traoré, João Moutinho

You could probably build a decent team around some or all of those players.

Maybe we should have done an Everton, and kept the players and took the points deductions.. can't have been any worse..
 
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SimonRigga said:
No thanks on Nuno, but yes we're in a mess... however i'm unsure how any club can sell it's best players year on year, and replace them with untried youngsters, and expect to stay in the premier league.. Pereira has to take some of the blame, but the board has to take most of it..

in the last 3 years we've sold, Matheus Cunha, Rayan Aït-Nouri, Pedro Neto, Maximilian Kilman, Daniel Podence, Matheus Nunes, Rúben Neves, Raúl Jiménez, Adama Traoré, João Moutinho

You could probably build a decent team around some or all of those players.

Maybe we should have done an Everton, and kept the players and took the points deductions.. can't have been any worse..
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Villa are in the same position imo, constantly sold their best players and the ones bought in aren't anywhere near as good, suppose you've been lucky in that unlike villa you haven't spanked silly wages on a load of dross.
 
SimonRigga said:
No thanks on Nuno, but yes we're in a mess... however i'm unsure how any club can sell it's best players year on year, and replace them with untried youngsters, and expect to stay in the premier league.. Pereira has to take some of the blame, but the board has to take most of it..

in the last 3 years we've sold, Matheus Cunha, Rayan Aït-Nouri, Pedro Neto, Maximilian Kilman, Daniel Podence, Matheus Nunes, Rúben Neves, Raúl Jiménez, Adama Traoré, João Moutinho

You could probably build a decent team around some or all of those players.

Maybe we should have done an Everton, and kept the players and took the points deductions.. can't have been any worse..
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Is that it?

In the last 3 years, Liverpool have sold or released;

Luis Díaz
Darwin Núñez
Jarell Quansah
Ben Doak
Caoimhín Kelleher
Trent Alexander-Arnold
Konstantinos Tsimikas
Harvey Elliott
Joel Matip
Thiago
Fabinho
Jordan Henderson
Naby Keïta
James Milner
Roberto Firmino
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

that's a near enough a PL winning matchday squad.
 
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inogen said:
Is that it?

In the last 3 years, Liverpool have sold or released;

Luis Díaz
Darwin Núñez
Jarell Quansah
Ben Doak
Caoimhín Kelleher
Trent Alexander-Arnold
Konstantinos Tsimikas
Harvey Elliott
Joel Matip
Thiago
Fabinho
Jordan Henderson
Naby Keïta
James Milner
Roberto Firmino
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

that's a near enough a PL winning matchday squad.
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:p ... that's quite lol, considering who you've brought in over that same period :) not sure it's a fair comparison.. I can only see two on that list, where you haven't got simliar or better replacements..
 
I'm not aware of Wolves ever being particularly close to breaching PSR, at that's before any accounting tricks that could have been done. There just appears to be a lack of interest from their ownership these days and that's probably at the direction of the Chinese government. A lot of Chinese money was being pumped into football 5-10 years ago and then China said they didn't like that and the money dried up. There were similar (worse) issues at both Milan clubs.
 
BaZ87 said:
I'm not aware of Wolves ever being particularly close to breaching PSR, at that's before any accounting tricks that could have been done. There just appears to be a lack of interest from their ownership these days and that's probably at the direction of the Chinese government. A lot of Chinese money was being pumped into football 5-10 years ago and then China said they didn't like that and the money dried up. There were similar (worse) issues at both Milan clubs.
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www.molineux.news

Football finance expert explains exactly where Wolves stand with PSR after player sales this summer

"Wolves will be very confident..."
www.molineux.news www.molineux.news

had to sell players to avoid PSR..

but i agree about the ownership... however it makes no sense to take them down before trying to sell, shirley they are worth more as a prem club?
 
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inogen said:
In the last 3 years, Liverpool have sold or released;

Luis Díaz
Darwin Núñez
Jarell Quansah
Ben Doak
Caoimhín Kelleher
Trent Alexander-Arnold
Konstantinos Tsimikas
Harvey Elliott
Joel Matip
Thiago
Fabinho
Jordan Henderson
Naby Keïta
James Milner
Roberto Firmino
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
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Never heard of most of them
 
SimonRigga said:
www.molineux.news

Football finance expert explains exactly where Wolves stand with PSR after player sales this summer

"Wolves will be very confident..."
www.molineux.news www.molineux.news

had to sell players to avoid PSR..

but i agree about the ownership... however it makes no sense to take them down before trying to sell, shirley they are worth more as a prem club?
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Wolves were about £15-20m below the PSR limit for the PSR cycle to the end of the 23/24 season - even after accounting for additional wages that would arise, they could have spent £70m odd more than they did on signings in that period. 24/25 accounts aren't out yet but using Transfermarkt as a guide, we know that they spent more than they sold that summer.

The issue is Fosun have no real interest in continuing to pump cash into the club and are trying to run things more sustainably now. They're obviously not actively trying to take Wolves down but believe they can maintain their position without having to spend an extra £50m per season.
 
While I agree it's not Fusons intention.. I can't really see any other outcome.. we were one of the lowest scoring teams last season, and of the goals we did score, I think it was something like 80 odd % were affected by either Cunha or Ait Noiri.. i.e. an assist or the actual goal..

Giving up the two players who provided/scored 80% of our goals is not a good direction, and even if Vitor somehow manages to pull off another miracle, it will just prove to Fosun that they were right and don't need to spend to stay in the league, so I can see Strand Larsen being sold as well as anyone else that happens to have a good second half of the season..

In reality the only chance we have.. like last year, is hope that 3 other teams are worse than us..
 
SimonRigga said:
While I agree it's not Fusons intention.. I can't really see any other outcome.. we were one of the lowest scoring teams last season, and of the goals we did score, I think it was something like 80 odd % were affected by either Cunha or Ait Noiri.. i.e. an assist or the actual goal..

Giving up the two players who provided/scored 80% of our goals is not a good direction, and even if Vitor somehow manages to pull off another miracle, it will just prove to Fosun that they were right and don't need to spend to stay in the league, so I can see Strand Larsen being sold as well as anyone else that happens to have a good second half of the season..

In reality the only chance we have.. like last year, is hope that 3 other teams are worse than us..
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To be clear, my post wasn't a defence of the owners and I agree, you're at massive risk of going down. I always felt Leeds and Sunderland were far better placed to compete than previous promoted sides and they've already got roughly 30% of the points totals last seasons promoted clubs picked up.

My point was, and why I always find it mad that supporters of certain clubs want to be able to lose 100s of millions per year, around the change of heart from the ownership rather than PSR being your biggest issue. Ultimately Wolves aren't a priority for Fosun and the decisions being made now are probably purely financial decisions rather than what's best for the club. And while those things are interlinked to an extent, given the nature of the PL now and the amount you need to spend to significantly improve your chances, it's a more balanced calculation when deciding whether it's worth spending an extra £50m to help you stay up.

edit: Just to explain the last part a little better. Wolves could have spent an extra £50m this summer and still be in the same position they are in now. You'd need to consistently spend that extra £50m (maybe even more) each season to significantly increase your chances of not getting relegated. And that's when you have to ask whether it still makes financial sense. Spending 1 season in 4 in the Championship but saving £50m per season is probably cheaper than spending the £50m per season and being a PL side every year.
 
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BaZ87 said:
To be clear, my post wasn't a defence of the owners and I agree, you're at massive risk of going down. I always felt Leeds and Sunderland were far better placed to compete than previous promoted sides and they've already got roughly 30% of the points totals last seasons promoted clubs picked up.

My point was, and why I always find it mad that supporters of certain clubs want to be able to lose 100s of millions per year, around the change of heart from the ownership rather than PSR being your biggest issue. Ultimately Wolves aren't a priority for Fosun and the decisions being made now are probably purely financial decisions rather than what's best for the club. And while those things are interlinked to an extent, given the nature of the PL now and the amount you need to spend to significantly improve your chances, it's a more balanced calculation when deciding whether it's worth spending an extra £50m to help you stay up.

edit: Just to explain the last part a little better. Wolves could have spent an extra £50m this summer and still be in the same position they are in now. You'd need to consistently spend that extra £50m (maybe even more) each season to significantly increase your chances of not getting relegated. And that's when you have to ask whether it still makes financial sense. Spending 1 season in 4 in the Championship but saving £50m per season is probably cheaper than spending the £50m per season and being a PL side every year.
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You're right of course being a yoyo club is cheaper than being a Prem club year on year.. however it's certainly not guranteeed we'd come back up as others have found..

May as well cut the Premier league down to the ten/twelve* clubs that can compete.. as it's pointless having the same X sides yoyo for years.. and get nowhere.. ( or maybe that should be 6 :) )

we're doomed.. :(
 
SimonRigga said:
You're right of course being a yoyo club is cheaper than being a Prem club year on year.. however it's certainly not guranteeed we'd come back up as others have found..

May as well cut the Premier league down to the ten/twelve* clubs that can compete.. as it's pointless having the same X sides yoyo for years.. and get nowhere.. ( or maybe that should be 6 :) )

we're doomed.. :(
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I'm not sure you're doomed as ultimately if push came to shove they'd put the money in to get you back up but there's a clear change of strategy, with investment not coming unless it's required and more of an emphasis on sustainability and player trading. That in itself isn't bad and we've seen it work at other clubs. Brighton being the best example. Rather than relying on analytics, you're just signing Jorge Mendes' players and looking to flip them for a profit.

Your owners haven't been nearly as bad as some others when it's come to the taps being turned off. They converted £130m odd of director loans to equity 2-3 seasons back.
 
BaZ87 said:
Your owners haven't been nearly as bad as some others when it's come to the taps being turned off. They converted £130m odd of director loans to equity 2-3 seasons back.
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Stop trying to cheer me up, i'm a lower team football supporter.. and I need to wallow in my despair, so that if we go down I can say.. I knew it.. and if by some miracle we do stay up I can rejoice for 5 mins, before thinking we'll go down next season :)
 
Vandle said:
Glad its not just me then! Most of them wouldn't make it into a top ten side even in their prime.
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Thats quite a claim !

Theres 16 players on that list, so in order for it to be "Most of them", it would need to be 9 of the 16. Which 9 on that list do you think wouldnt make it into a top ten side, even in their prime?
 
Darwin Núñez
Jarell Quansah
Ben Doak
Caoimhín Kelleher
Konstantinos Tsimikas
Jordan Henderson
Naby Keïta

7 then. I included Henderson due to where he was born.
 
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