At what point do you say GPU's are too expensive and refuse to buy?

[deviation]

Owned a few variants of both and I guess 5070 ti and 9070xt are the best of this gen if got for under £600

Yep, the best of both worlds currently!

 

[Calin Banc]

In some games, the 5090 truly is a waste of money vs a 9070XT in terms of value offering.

Owned a few variants of both and I guess 5070 ti and 9070xt are the best of this gen if got for under £600

And it others a 5090 trumps the 9070xt... It depends what you're after, like always.

 

[Personality+]

And it others a 5090 trumps the 9070xt... It depends what you're after, like always.

Correct of course, but there are ways to get around some performance deficiencies with certain gpu's MFG from the GPU/Frame Gen from an amd gpu. Black Frame Insertion supported monitors for motion clarity of double the frame rate you're achieving.

More than one way to skin a cat these days to get results (and get more value out of your money)

Even a 5090 relies on these techniques to get the best 4K experience in a lot of games.

TLDR : My own views on this have changed from the beginning of the year, after owning both (still own a 9070xt + 5090 right now) I simply get excited by new tech/products/games more than I should and enjoy the anticipation a lot more than ownership I guess

 

[mattyfez]

I think I paid £620 for my 9070xt as they were quiet pricey when I bought.

I'd call that an 'upper mid-range' card... Spending more than that, the value for money ratio really drops off the cliff.

I mean, if you want to spend a grand+, fill your boots, but don't be under any illusions that you're not getting your pants pulled down.

 

[Tommy Gun]

I think I paid £620 for my 9070xt as they were quiet pricey when I bought.

I'd call that an 'upper mid-range' card... Spending more than that, the value for money ratio really drops off the cliff.

I mean, if you want to spend a grand+, fill your boots, but don't be under any illusions that you're not getting your pants pulled down.

 

[mark 11:11]

I think I paid £620 for my 9070xt as they were quiet pricey when I bought.

I'd call that an 'upper mid-range' card... Spending more than that, the value for money ratio really drops off the cliff.

I mean, if you want to spend a grand+, fill your boots, but don't be under any illusions that you're not getting your pants pulled down.

exactly
i actually paid closer to 700 for my 9070xt [its the pure so its white so i guess 50 of that is the different colour/lack of economy of scale thing from having a white gpu]
i was actually originally hoping there would be a next model up a 9080xt or 9070xtx or whatever name it would have had but tbh im glad in some ways it didnt because im more than happy with my 9070xt as it is
im still hoping next gen we get a higher end model though but in all fairness i wouldnt get the benefit of having a 5090 level gpu anyway tbh the slightly extra for a 80 level would be a waste with me tbh i think my previous 3060 was overkill for my use lol
but still..........
so i guess this means 700 was sort of my limit i guess

 

[Tommy Gun]

I wanted to spend and buy but nothing I wanted from my money was on offer.

 

[Calin Banc]

Correct of course, but there are ways to get around some performance deficiencies with certain gpu's MFG from the GPU/Frame Gen from an amd gpu. Black Frame Insertion supported monitors for motion clarity of double the frame rate you're achieving.

More than one way to skin a cat these days to get results (and get more value out of your money)

Even a 5090 relies on these techniques to get the best 4K experience in a lot of games.

TLDR : My own views on this have changed from the beginning of the year, after owning both (still own a 9070xt + 5090 right now) I simply get excited by new tech/products/games more than I should and enjoy the anticipation a lot more than ownership I guess

If you're happy with less, that's fine. Worth kipping in mind that AMD is way behind when it comes to RT/PT at the top end. That 5090 is about twice as fast with RT and a lot more in PT. If these two matter, then the 5090 is the only choice vs a 9070xt, especially at 4k. Of course, if you have the money.

 

[Devrij]

I paid £680 for my 3080 on launch day and that felt like the most I'd ever want to spend on a GPU and I still feel that way. Anything over 700 is just like "damn I could go do something with that money"

 

[Zarax]

My budget is 600€ and I expect to double the performance of my previous card.
This usually means a LONG wait but that's fine, I went from 2011 HD7970 -> 2019 RX590 -> 2024 RX7900GRE so it means that I'm looking at 2030ish for the next upgrade.

 

[Howling]

I miss the days of a top end GPU costing £3-400...... I also miss the days of Freddos costing 10p.. at least they've only gone up 3x though and not 8x

 

[mid_gen]

I miss the days of a top end GPU costing £3-400...... I also miss the days of Freddos costing 10p.. at least they've only gone up 3x though and not 8x

At least you're getting vastly more for your increased money in GPUs, it's like everyone has forgotten how simple and tiny GPUs used to be, compared to the gigantic bricks of silicon and coolers we have now.

A Freddo is still a Freddo. Probably smaller than it used to be

 

[Howling]

At least you're getting vastly more for your increased money in GPUs, it's like everyone has forgotten how simple and tiny GPUs used to be, compared to the gigantic bricks of silicon and coolers we have now.

A Freddo is still a Freddo. Probably smaller than it used to be

Yeah but tech scaling over time is supposed to happen. Performance per dollar (aka value) just seems to have largely stagnated these past ... 10? years.

Also, you're right about the Freddo - it's smaller

 

[b0rn2sk8]

it's like everyone has forgotten how simple and tiny GPUs used to be, compared to the gigantic bricks of silicon and coolers we have now.

Let’s be honest about the coolers here, the vast majority of them are very over built for aesthetic reasons and are largely there in an attempt to justify the inflated price.

We’ve very much got into the loop of how big can you go before the card rips it self out of the socket. Don’t worry, the GPU is only 47C when it falls out.

 

[Calin Banc]

Yeah but tech scaling over time is supposed to happen. Performance per dollar (aka value) just seems to have largely stagnated these past ... 10? years.

Also, you're right about the Freddo - it's smaller

At some point you won't get the same advancements.

Moreover, keeping the cards simpler, they'll also be a lot slower than they are today.

 

[Howling]

At some point you won't get the same advancements.

Moreover, keeping the cards simpler, they'll also be a lot slower than they are today.

Yeah... technological stagnation is the reason.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

TSMC are also raking in the money, $44b profit on $104bn sales last year if I remember correctly.

That’s a rather tasty profit margin.

 

[Calin Banc]

Yeah... technological stagnation is the reason.

That doesn't mean much. You'll need the actual margin and net profit for the dedicated gaming/GPU sales which probably aren't publically available, but rather mixed with other areas.

Don't forget AMD was pushing the prices up as well, including in the CPU market once they've got their foot in. The reaction from AMD's fan base included even "so what, they deserve it!".

9070xt looks good on paper vs 5080 (a lot cheaper, about the same die size, same vRAM). The software + developer collaboration are, of course, also important and nVIDIA atm is in front. How you'd value that in the price?
Most importantly, can AMD do the $599 MSRP and really have the cards in store at that price in the long run? Are the margins healthy? We'll see with next gen, I guess.

 

[Howling]

That doesn't mean much. You'll need the actual margin and net profit for the dedicated gaming/GPU sales which probably aren't publically available, but rather mixed with other areas.

Good point. Let's use Net.

Totally changes the picture and my point

Don't forget AMD was pushing the prices up as well, including in the CPU market once they've got their foot in. The reaction from AMD's fan base included even "so what, they deserve it!".

9070xt looks good on paper vs 5080 (a lot cheaper, about the same die size, same vRAM). The software + developer collaboration are, of course, also important and nVIDIA atm is in front. How you'd value that in the price?
Most importantly, can AMD do the $599 MSRP and really have the cards in store at that price in the long run? Are the margins healthy? We'll see with next gen, I guess.

Where did I say AMD aren't doing the same???

 

[Calin Banc]

Good point. Let's use Net.

Totally changes the picture and my point



Where did I say AMD aren't doing the same???

You are looking at profits made during Crypto, Pandemic times and AI times, not just gaming during normal times.
Again, you need the margins for gaming alone which you don't really have.