The rise of Ozempic

[malachi]

Indeed, we're moving in the wrong direction.
What happened to accountability?

Doesn't exist anymore.

We live in a world where its always somebody else's fault. And it benefits Big Pharma as money is made from people being unhealthy not healthy.

Where is the old ozempic/mounjaro thread? Lol

Got deleted as it was breaking the rules about medical threads.

Humans will never make it.

The strongest always will.

 

[Bear]

I've just been reflecting on my relationship with alcohol and I need to drink less of it. That's my weakness rather than food and if I could inject something that made me not want it, I'd immediately do that. Hence my question above.

I guess that could equally be considered weak willed and lazy. But all I'm saying is that there is a place for good old fashioned willpower too and I don't want drugs to replace that, as it makes us all weaker.

I get that argument but for me I’ve been yo-yoing weight wise since my 30s. Now I’m in my mid 50s things I used to do to lose weight don’t work as well as it used to. People will say exercise more, but I used to cycle regularly and do up to around 100 miles over the weekend. I’d do 65miles on the Saturday first thing in the morning and when I got back, I’d want to eat a horse.

Exercise isn’t the key, the key is not putting the food in your face to begin with and the jab helps with that. The next thing then is to work with your relationship with food and breaking those bad habits. People that don’t are doomed to fail but those that do at least give themselves a fighting chance to try and keep it off.

 

[Penfold101]

I’d do 65miles on the Saturday first thing in the morning and when I got back, I’d want to eat a horse.

Username checks out.

 

[200sols]

You do need to exercise. You don't just lose fat, you lose muscle, which is why a lot of weight loss jabbers end up looking gaunt and like a cancer victim.

You really should do strength training.

It's recommended to exercise, just like it's recommended to exercise when you're not on these jabs. However as you've conceded with your post, many people don't exercise and still lose weight.

 

[Efour]

You lose weight because you stop eating it's thermodynamics.....
If you exercise on top of that you go into a much greater calorie deficit.
It's an almost perfect modern solution, very little effort and good results.

It's about 400 quid a week in Sweden crazy.

 

[BUDFORCE]

Exercise isn’t the key, the key is not putting the food in your face to begin with and the jab helps with that. The next thing then is to work with your relationship with food and breaking those bad habits. People that don’t are doomed to fail but those that do at least give themselves a fighting chance to try and keep it off.

Yes I agree with that.

Obviously exercise is good in a whole load of other ways, so worth doing regularly.

But if you are talking purely weight loss it doesn't do much, unless you are training like an athlete or something.
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You also got to be careful because you think, ok I walked 5 miles, or did 60 push ups or whatever I can now eat more, when really you can't.

 

[tom_e]

In much the same way as nicotine patches/methadone/anything else used to fix an addiction these drugs need to be treated in the same way, as a tool to facilitate behavioural changes which can then be kept up as the crutch is slowly reduced and eventually taken away.

As with everything like this though you'll get people who abuse it for want of a better word and it's that bit that gets the publicity. People using it to become emaciated because "yay weight loss" when all they've actually done is strip fat/muscle/bone away and become an even more unhealthy version of their bigger selves. Behind that you'll have many people using it sensibly by adjusting their lifestyle, diet, training to keep the weight away once they come off.

 

[ivrytwr3]

It's recommended to exercise, just like it's recommended to exercise when you're not on these jabs. However as you've conceded with your post, many people don't exercise and still lose weight.

Conceded? Ofc people are going to lose weight if they don't shovel as much food in. But relying on MJ alone is like depending solely on the sprinklers in a building. The sprinklers will put out a fire, but having a fire alarm gives an early warning. Just because some buildings survive fires with sprinklers alone doesn’t mean the alarms are useless; the best outcome comes from using both.

Pointing to people who only take the jabs and still see improvement doesn’t make the advice about healthy habits any less valid.

 

[Bear]

Yes I agree with that.

Obviously exercise is good in a whole load of other ways, so worth doing regularly.

But if you are talking purely weight loss it doesn't do much, unless you are training like an athlete or something.
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You also got to be careful because you think, ok I walked 5 miles, or did 60 push ups or whatever I can now eat more, when really you can't.

Absolutely, exercise has many health benefits. I do plenty of walking as I have a cocker spaniel and if anyone knows what they are like, they are very busy dogs, so lots of walking keeps them happy and calm.

 

[JonRGV250]

We live in a world where its always somebody else's fault.

Yup, always.

When you go into a petrol station and you're forced to go through a maze of addictive junk food to get to the tills (a maze that's been specially engineered by people trying to sell junk food), who exactly is cheating? people using jabs, or the people who created this stupid mess in the first place?

Doesn’t mean you automatically have to start ramming snicker bars down your neck does it.
Accountability.

 

[Felon]

Doesn’t mean you automatically have to start ramming snicker bars down your neck does it.

At an individual level - true, accountability is key and people should take personal responsibility.

The problem is that you cannot rely on accountability to work at scale when applied to populations of millions of people in an obesogenic environment.

 

[Andybtsn]

Does it suppress the urge to drink alcohol in people's experience?

Yes, I still look forward to a drink, but any fizzy drink takes me an age to drink. I could get through a few cans in an evening, but now I can barely manage two. I can only comment on beer; I am not interested in other beverages.

 

[jpaul]

Government/Reeves could still have some accountability for why they let the food manufacturers of those food stuffs make large profits - a contributing to obesity tax in november.

 

[mattyg]

Doesn't exist anymore.

We live in a world where its always somebody else's fault. And it benefits Big Pharma as money is made from people being unhealthy not healthy.

Which is at odds to these jabs then. The savings to the NHS will be massive further down the line as people using these jabs will have less instances of diabetes and all those diabetes related health issues. Let alone the many other health issues that being obese bring with it.

Big Pharma make money from keeping people alive and healthier for longer. Dead people make them no money at all!!

 

[malachi]

Government/Reeves could still have some accountability for why they let the food manufacturers of those food stuffs make large profits - a contributing to obesity tax in november.

They don't care, they added this "sugar tax" which was an backdoor way to make money from peoples bad eating habits. Same with smoking.

 

[mattyg]

In much the same way as nicotine patches/methadone/anything else used to fix an addiction these drugs need to be treated in the same way, as a tool to facilitate behavioural changes which can then be kept up as the crutch is slowly reduced and eventually taken away.

As with everything like this though you'll get people who abuse it for want of a better word and it's that bit that gets the publicity. People using it to become emaciated because "yay weight loss" when all they've actually done is strip fat/muscle/bone away and become an even more unhealthy version of their bigger selves. Behind that you'll have many people using it sensibly by adjusting their lifestyle, diet, training to keep the weight away once they come off.

Of course. Just like people on TRT or Bodybuilders using the same stuff. One is use one is abuse and it happens in pretty much everything.

 

[200sols]

Big Pharma make money from keeping people alive for longer, not necessarily healthier for longer.

Big Pharma make money from keeping people alive and healthier for longer. Dead people make them no money at all!!

 

[malachi]

Which is at odds to these jabs then. The savings to the NHS will be massive further down the line as people using these jabs will have less instances of diabetes and all those diabetes related health issues. Let alone the many other health issues that being obese bring with it.

Big Pharma make money from keeping people alive and healthier for longer. Dead people make them no money at all!!

Because Big Pharma makes more money from selling people the prescription not the cure.

We all know what the cure is but people dont want to hear it. So fine, charge their backside to the high heavens!

 

[Diddums]

The fact that people feel the need to justify this to others is quite interesting. What's worse is that they need to in the first place. Take it, don't take it, it's literally of zero consequence to anyone else.

Having seen how this has changed peoples' lives first hand, have at it. Seeing people go from depressed emotional wrecks with zero self confidence to successful, happy people, I can honestly say that anyone shaming anyone for using it doesn't understand a few things about how human biology and psychology work.

 

[Liefrich]

In the long run it's also going to reduce our public health bill. It's far cheaper to prescribe these drugs than to have to treat a lifetime of chronic illness and/or serious organ failure. It also makes people happier and probably more productive. I'm all for it. We do, however, probably have to look at junk food/delivery culture and our over reliance on driving for short trips at some point, but that's not an easy battle to win.