Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

[b0rn2sk8]

To be fair, if Reform get in, I wouldnt put it past those idiots to do something untoward with it

Here’s the thing, the government doesn’t need it to do something untoward.

There is nothing new the government doesn’t already know.

 

[Rroff]

The really funny thing, is people have no problem what so ever giving all this stuff to (checks notes) Mark Zuckerberg, et.al. ... what the hell do they think they/he's doing with the data they freely hand over without even realising it?

Talk about trying to close the barn door after the horses have bolted

People still have a choice what they do and don't hand over to Facebook, etc. and it is limited in terms of deeper intrusion/connection to activities unless people don't care.

 

[Malevolence]

I already have a passport and a driver's licence that has my face and my details on there, so what's the issue with this? Many EU countries have ID cards and they don't have a problem and, besides, if it stops the parasites from abusing the NHS and the benefit systems then I'm all for it.

 

[Mint8]

Not sure why it has to be digital - a credit card thingy like the drivers licence would be so much easier than having to produce bills, passports or trying to get an app to work etc when you want to apply for stuff etc.

Cant see what the issue is tbh - Most of the EU operates perfectly well with it for a number of years and the sky hasnt fallen.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Digital only is a PITA there are plenty who don't have those and theres no information on what they're supposed to do unless govt plans on providing free phones for all (hah). Otherwise its about time the amount of hoops you have to jump through to prove you have a right to live/work is ridiculous at times passport/driving licence/proof of address (utility bill, bank statement), birth certificate... if this cuts out that nonsense then great.

Not sure why it has to be digital - a credit card thingy like the drivers licence would be so much easier than having to produce bills, passports or trying to get an app to work etc when you want to apply for stuff etc.

Cost almost certainly maintaining physical copies plus evaluating whether they're genuine/valid is more bureaucracy they don't want to pay for

 

[b0rn2sk8]

If you can’t see how this opens up abuses further down the line, you’re missing the bigger picture.

We already know how incompetent governments are with data security, and how corrupt some politicians can be — a recent French president was jailed for conspiracy, after all. Are you really comfortable entrusting all your personal data to people like that?

Look at the recent law change requiring ID just to view adult content online — that’s exactly how ‘optional’ systems quickly become compulsory gateways.

Once a digital ID exists, it’s trivially easy to link it to financial access, travel, healthcare, or even online speech. That’s an enormous amount of control concentrated in a single system. And history shows that powers created ‘for convenience’ rarely stay that way.

No foil required.

Here is the thing, it’s already comically easy to do all that stuff you list without a formal digital ID.

Online age checks already exist, the government (or more accurately HMRC) can already link together all your financials if they need to. The home office, the police, the intelligence agencies and the MOD can piece together large parts of your life already. The NHS already has an NHS ID system which could be linked to anything else.

As for the actual politicians, as much as they may lead a department or say a police force, they are not actually allowed access to citizens information.

So yes, foil is needed.

 

[G-MAN2004]

I expect this will end up costing the taxpayers an absolute fortune. Then it won't work properly and will come with a whole host of issues, costing us even more. Then it will end in someone hacking the database and leaking everyone's ID on the Internet.

Trusting the clowns in charge with anything like this is a bad idea.

 

[NickK]

You just have to see how China has used it to control the people, to see how dangerous this will be. You can't leave the area where you live if your social score isn't good in the eyes of "The Party" this is pure 1984!

Anyone on the other side and FOR this?

You realise that you ID already exist? Although currently segmented.

The alarmist view is to kick and acream but what if you answered - what is the problem for you personally?

Your data already exists wirh passport, drivers licence, national insurance etc. HMRC can already combine sources for tax determination purposes.

 

[Rroff]

Digital only is a PITA there are plenty who don't have those and theres no information on what they're supposed to do unless govt plans on providing free phones for all (hah). Otherwise its about time the amount of hoops you have to jump through to prove you have a right to live/work is ridiculous at times passport/driving licence/proof of address (utility bill, bank statement), birth certificate... if this cuts out that nonsense then great.


Cost almost certainly maintaining physical copies plus evaluating whether they're genuine/valid is more bureaucracy they don't want to pay for

Yeah several of the older people at work are reliant on their families for anything digital or online and/or don't have. There is a bit of a battle ongoing at work currently as they think everyone should be trained on the core computer systems we use, while there are still a fair few older staff who've got away with not being so so far, but the thing is they've little to no computer experience to fall back on, scared of breaking things if they do it wrong, and beyond basic use of a smartphone struggle so it is a massive uphill battle for them that those higher up often don't appreciate.

 

[NickK]

Yeah several of the older people at work are reliant on their families for anything digital or online and/or don't have. There is a bit of a battle ongoing at work currently as they think everyone should be trained on the core computer systems we use, while there are still a fair few older staff who've got away with not being so so far, but the thing is they've little to no computer experience to fall back on, scared of breaking things if they do it wrong, and beyond basic use of a smartphone struggle so it is a massive uphill battle for them that those higher up often don't appreciate.

Simplification could be a good starting point.

 

[Haggisman]

if it stops the parasites from abusing the NHS and the benefit systems then I'm all for it.

Fairly sure our politicians will be able to get them

You're gonna get deported mate.

The way things are going, this is looking less and less like a deterrent!

 

[Rroff]

Here is the thing, it’s already comically easy to do all that stuff you list without a formal digital ID.

Online age checks already exist, the government (or more accurately HMRC) can already link together all your financials if they need to. The home office, the police, the intelligence agencies and the MOD can piece together large parts of your life already. The NHS already has an NHS ID system which could be linked to anything else.

As for the actual politicians, as much as they may lead a department or say a police force, they are not actually allowed access to citizens information.

So yes, foil is needed.

But it becomes much easier when there is one central ID which can be tied to any and all activities and the scope can creep to making that ID "needed" for an increasing number of things, the current system doesn't have a grip on society the same way.

 

[steve_c]

Here is the thing, it’s already comically easy to do all that stuff you list without a formal digital ID.

Online age checks already exist, the government (or more accurately HMRC) can already link together all your financials if they need to. The home office, the police, the intelligence agencies and the MOD can piece together large parts of your life already. The NHS already has an NHS ID system which could be linked to anything else.

As for the actual politicians, as much as they may lead a department or say a police force, they are not actually allowed access to citizens information.

So yes, foil is needed.

Agencies can already piece things together if they have cause - but that’s not the same as a single compulsory ID that makes linking every part of your life effortless.

The difference is friction. Right now, there are processes, warrants, and safeguards. A centralised ID removes all of that and hands future governments a ready-made tracking tool.

And history shows scope creep is real: France’s "temporary" surveillance powers after 2015 became permanent, and the UK’s old ID card plan kept expanding until it was scrapped.

That’s not tinfoil — that’s just common sense...

 

[mattyfez]

Fairly sure our politicians will be able to get them



The way things are going, this is looking less and less like a deterrent!

Yep, give me my freedom of movement back, and I'll be gone in two shakes of a lambs tail!

I'm quite happy to watch from a safe disatance as the flag shaggers fight it out over the ruins of the UK!

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Tony Blair likes this.

He liked it then, and still likes it now.

And that’s the ultimate indicator of it being a Very Bad Thing.

 

[Haggisman]

Yep, give me my freedom of movement back, and I'll be gone in two shakes of a lambs tail!

I'm quite happy to watch from a safe disatance as the flag shaggers fight it out over the ruins of the UK!

Yup, the hoops I need to jump through to get EU citizenship are looking more reasonable by the day

 

[rp2000]

But it becomes much easier when there is one central ID which can be tied to any and all activities and the scope can creep to making that ID "needed" for an increasing number of things, the current system doesn't have a grip on society the same way.

Why aren't all the existing EU countries with ID cards (for 2 decades?) doing this already then?


rp2000

 

[gary996]

Shove it where the sun doesn't shine

 

[p1RATE]

I'd encourage people who do not see that this is a mechanism for something more sinister to watch this. Blair quite clearly states that he wants it linked to facial recognition to judge who has a right to be in our country and to facilitate the police in making more arrests. This is coming in under the guise of identifying and tracking illegal aliens, but just think for a second what else that system enables and the dangers it poses.

If your view is that we already have established systems so there is nothing to worry about, then what is it that those do not achieve that makes this necessary?

 

[Tom_ed1987]

Why are Labour so obsessed with this.
Is it as simple as it being a long standing control thing/fantasy of theirs, ala China?