Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

Are you for or against the new Digital ID


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The thing I find most amazing about this drama is that these people actually seem to believe that your passport, national insurance, bank account, drivers license, tax number, council tax number, etc etc, AREN’T already linked.

You already have a comprehensive digital footprint that is held by the government you goons. A single ID to simplify it is not a slippery slope to anything other than convenience and a way to actually get a help get a grip on who is in the country and when they shouldn’t be, which is apparently all anyone cares about these days.
Sure, at least it means criminals just need to get hold of one single fake or compromised ID rather than go to the hassle of faking a passport, national insurance, bank account, drivers licence, tax number, council tax number, etc.
 
The thing I find most amazing about this drama is that these people actually seem to believe that your passport, national insurance, bank account, drivers license, tax number, council tax number, etc etc, AREN’T already linked.

You already have a comprehensive digital footprint that is held by the government you goons. A single ID to simplify it is not a slippery slope to anything other than convenience and a way to actually get a help get a grip on who is in the country and when they shouldn’t be, which is apparently all anyone cares about these days.

But all of those have limited scope, and when you present them as ID for other things it generally isn't recorded against that ID. It is much harder to expand their use in ways which may not be in the interests of the population - or as above it isn't a one point of failure.
 
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You just have to see how China has used it to control the people, to see how dangerous this will be. You can't leave the area where you live if your social score isn't good in the eyes of "The Party" this is pure 1984!

Anyone on the other side and FOR this?


i cant leave the area ?
i cant go shopping !!!!!!!!

im going to die !
 
don't see a problem with it ?

they've got my face on my id, my license.. they've got my NI etc.

it's just a combo of all those, if they wanted to find you, they would. And the social score and area restrictions is pure BS/tinfoil hat territory.

Only reason I'm for it is being able to store a digitally accepted ID for age verification purposes on my phone which means not needing to take a wallet out - although it has come a few years too late as I rarely get ID'd anymore.

I've not seen yet whether these things will be free or if we have to pay for them? I'll be a bit miffed if we have to pay considering we're already paying every 10 years for a renewed passport and driving license. At this point it should just be all rolled into one form.
 
No to compulsory anything really, already have a big enough government as it is. And just because other countries already have them is no excuse to just let it slide in. I swear some people would accept a mandatory suicide system if it came with a shiny new app and ‘other people do it’ was mindlessly said enough times.
 
"Jesus, they're wall to wall in there!"

It is quite hard to get hold of, I've seen it randomly on YT now and again but for some reason keeps disappearing, but there is a IIRC ~18 minutes long section of deleted scenes building up to and including the sentry gun bits which is a shame they didn't include in the movie releases - it involves a fair bit of character development between Hicks, Ripley and Newt (not included in the normal deleted scenes or the video which claims to be all the deleted scenes).
 
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Sure, at least it means criminals just need to get hold of one single fake or compromised ID rather than go to the hassle of faking a passport, national insurance, bank account, drivers licence, tax number, council tax number, etc.
You think that criminals need more than one of those documents right now in order to commit identity fraud? :confused:
 
You think that criminals need more than one of those documents right now in order to commit identity fraud? :confused:
Of course they don't. But depending on what fraud they are trying to commit they need a different form of compromised ID.
 
Of course they don't. But depending on what fraud they are trying to commit they need a different form of compromised ID.
Have you considered that having a digital ID backed up with MFA would be a massive step forward in preventing identity theft. That way simply having a document doesn’t give them access to do anything.
 
The thing I find most amazing about this drama is that these people actually seem to believe that your passport, national insurance, bank account, drivers license, tax number, council tax number, etc etc, AREN’T already linked.
You'd think they should be, but having been on the receiving end of the Tax credits department when they can't manage to talk to HMRC who clearly know what I earn, I don't have any faith in such systems
 
Have you considered that having a digital ID backed up with MFA would be a massive step forward in preventing identity theft. That way simply having a document doesn’t give them access to do anything.

Potentially a right pain in the rear if you lose access to your MFA though :s bad enough normally but a central ID linked to an increasing amount of stuff would be a big problem.
 
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Have you considered that having a digital ID backed up with MFA would be a massive step forward in preventing identity theft. That way simply having a document doesn’t give them access to do anything.
MFA is not wholly secure. MFA tokens can be intercepted. Yes it's hard to do but it is possible. But more likely is social engineering can be used to get people to approve the MFA request. I have been involved in real world scenarios of that in my current company. Many non-tech savvy people will blindly approve a request that pops up on their phones. People on this forum are far more technologically savvy so we are unlikely to do it, but it means we also think others won't fall for it. But many will.
 
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I'm a bit indifferent. I know why they could be good but I also see it as a massive waste of time too.

There's a few security and ethical concerns I think are fair to be worried about and uncertainty around their use I also get the big gov thing.

At the same time I can see how it could help with speeding up processes and combating fraud, and improving efficiency (but let's face it if it's a government department it's never going to be efficient!).

So yeah I'm in the if it's done well I have no issues but I also have no trust in the government to do it well.
 
Potentially a right pain in the rear if you lose access to your MFA though :s bad enough normally but a central ID linked to an increasing amount of stuff would be a big problem.
Learning how to use MFA is much less of a problem than having your identity impersonated by a bad actor. Sort of thing schools should be teaching these days.
 
MFA is not wholly secure. MFA tokens can be intercepted. Yes it's hard to do but it is possible. But more likely is social engineering can be used to get people to approve the MFA request. I have been involved in real world scenarios of that in my current company. Many non-tech savvy people will blindly approve a request that pops up on their phones. People on this forum are far more technologically savvy so we are unlikely to do it, but it means we also think others won't fall for it. But many will.
It is still *vastly* more secure than single factor authentication and MFA is not all about authenticator apps.

Your passport is multi factor authentication. Physical document + biometrics.
 
Learning how to use MFA is much less of a problem than having your identity impersonated by a bad actor. Sort of thing schools should be teaching these days.
Good luck teaching my mum how to do that. Before she died she could barely use a smartphone and kept going back to her old Nokia.
 
You'd think they should be, but having been on the receiving end of the Tax credits department when they can't manage to talk to HMRC who clearly know what I earn, I don't have any faith in such systems
The irony here is that HMRC administered tax credits so you were actually dealing with HMRC.
 
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