Poll: DIGITAL ID - It's coming *** NO GENERAL POLITICS TALK - ONE AND ONLY WARNING ***

Are you for or against the new Digital ID

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Rroff said:
No, but with the existing implementations I have a choice (mostly) as to how much data I give them and what I'm using it for, the approach with one central ID will take a lot of that control out of my hands as it is increasingly used "required" for more and more things.
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I'm willing to bet that if you have a Tesco Clubcard or a Facebook account (for example) that you have absolutely no idea just how much data they have on you, either directly collected or inferred, regardless of how much you think you control how much data you give them. Remember when Target were able to tell women they were pregnant before they even knew themselves? The genie is out of the bottle, it will NEVER get put back in so we might as well lean into the technology to make our society more efficient.
 
DRZ said:
I'm willing to bet that if you have a Tesco Clubcard or a Facebook account (for example) that you have absolutely no idea just how much data they have on you, either directly collected or inferred, regardless of how much you think you control how much data you give them. Remember when Target were able to tell women they were pregnant before they even knew themselves? The genie is out of the bottle, it will NEVER get put back in so we might as well lean into the technology to make our society more efficient.
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I have a fairly good idea how much Facebook can infer from the data I have given them and the data they might have access to elsewhere they can match up, none of that overly concerns me.

There is a big step from there to where a central ID is directly tied to increasing amounts of your daily activities including stuff you are doing essentially in private so to speak.
 
We are the most surveilled society in the world. Whether you carry your phone around or not, keeping a low profile is getting harder to do and not knowing whether your phone is broadcasting your ID to others as you move around may be a concern to some.
It seems there will be an alternate system for non smartphone and non passport holders like me, I will await details.
It is of little concern to me generally as I expect that that ship has sailed already.
 
Hagar said:
We are the most surveilled society in the world. Whether you carry your phone around or not, keeping a low profile is getting harder to do and not knowing whether your phone is broadcasting your ID to others as you move around may be a concern to some.
It seems there will be an alternate system for non smartphone and non passport holders like me, I will await details.
It is of little concern to me generally as I expect that that ship has sailed already.
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You don't have a smartphone? Out of interest what makes you wonder what a pone might be broadcasting? once a phone is locked with some form of security the contents are on-device encrypted, unless you give an app permissions then it['s not going to send anything anywhere, this is for both Android and iOS versions out currently, so if you keep an eye on what you install then there should really be no concern other than the usual tracking telematics stuff used to target ads based on your usage habits which is better than unrelated random ads, because you will be seeing ads either way, may as well see ads that /might/ be relevant to you vs random ads that raise eyebrows instead etc.

if you have a smart TV then it's listening, if you have anything connected from modern times then it will be collecting data almost certainly, if you walk about outside then facial recognition will be logging your image and a database will be built up over time using AI to build a profile of the places you like to go most often so whoever owns it can sell targeted ads to the places you frequent the most.

It's all unavoidable really.
 
DRZ said:
They spend COLOSSAL amounts of money maintaining records. All duplicated many many times. I know this from first hand experience, I used to work building and maintaining them.

Centralise it all, remove the duplication, remove the need for inter-agency nonsense. Save a boatload of money, deliver better services for everyone by default.
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That won't happen. It will be too expensive to do. So it will continue as separate systems glued together with sticky tape.
 
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mid_gen said:
The thing I find most amazing about this drama is that these people actually seem to believe that your passport, national insurance, bank account, drivers license, tax number, council tax number, etc etc, AREN’T already linked.

You already have a comprehensive digital footprint that is held by the government you goons. A single ID to simplify it is not a slippery slope to anything other than convenience and a way to actually get a help get a grip on who is in the country and when they shouldn’t be, which is apparently all anyone cares about these days.
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its a slippery slope if websittes start needing it to keep the kids safe and police the internet from negative comments


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A 2021 amendment further restricted playtime to just 8pm to 9pm on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays.

In 2023, China expanded this regulatory framework beyond online gaming to include livestreaming platforms, video-sharing sites and social media. It requires the platforms to build and complete “systems for preventing addiction”.
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the gov can implement that kinda thing
 
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DRZ said:
They spend COLOSSAL amounts of money maintaining records. All duplicated many many times. I know this from first hand experience, I used to work building and maintaining them.

Centralise it all, remove the duplication, remove the need for inter-agency nonsense. Save a boatload of money, deliver better services for everyone by default.
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That's a lovely idea but we all know it'll cost 10x (minimum) the originally quoted figure, be delivered 5 years (probably 10) late and still be a terrible implementation. It's a government IT project after all.
 
Such a weird turn for humanity and civilization. Bit of devil's advocate here
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In real life you act decent and civilised towards your fellow man, mostly trying to avoid confrontation and be amicable.
Following laws of the land.

Open your laptop lid and you become a vitriolic, anonymous, hate filled , combative a-hole.... With rights to FREE Speech.

A part of me wonders why on Earth should you not be fully accountable and traceable online.?
 
Cyber-Mav said:
So does this consolidate all existing I'd like passport driving license etc?
Being digital I'm guessing it can be hacked and stuff?
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Yeah, I'm sure that eventually it'll incorporate everything...

"I am sorry, you have already used your carbon credit allocation for this week" :D

The future is ******* grim, people have absolutely no idea what's coming.
 
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It's ok everybody.

In response to concerns about data safety collecting all that information in one handy place Nandy said that ID theft is already possible with non digital ID.

True enough, I have a parcel inside my house with every bit of ID just ready for when that crack team from North Korea break down the door to nick it.

Give me strength.
 
I'm generally an advocate of Digital IDs, and still think on balance it's probably the right thing to do.

But, I don't feel as strongly against those who oppose it, there are too many instances that show the ideological capture of the government and civil service to know that what I would ordinarily have attrbuted 'conspiratorial lunacy' to are now 'OK, it's at least plausible if hopefully very unlikely'..
 
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