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It's as much the electrical(better I^2R diddums) losses in a long 20M cable, versus a piece of 6MM2, or so, armoured cable.
would you ever need to charge multiple ev's too at that place, too.
 
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Cheers for the ideas/advice. My sketch does not show this but garden/driveway 'walls' are just wooden fences. Only the house are bricks.
They said no on using the wooden fence and adviced underground cables for safety reasons.
Ill check other installers for quotations for a non-standard install to get the charger close to the driveway.
 
Cheers for the ideas/advice. My sketch does not show this but garden/driveway 'walls' are just wooden fences. Only the house are bricks.
They said no on using the wooden fence and adviced underground cables for safety reasons.
Ill check other installers for quotations for a non-standard install to get the charger close to the driveway.

You could mount the charger on a concrete or metal post.
I get the underground safety aspect, could you do most of that work before they come?
 
Weird......the Ovo monthly plans released today work out more expensive than just staying on the PAYG option at 14p per kWh.

175 kwh is £27.50 per month - on PAYG it's £24.50

500 kwh is £79.50 per month - on PAYG it's £70 per month.

I've only just signed up to Charge Anytime in the last couple of weeks so I don't actually have any idea what my 'normal' and realistic monthly usage will be.

Guess I'll have a better idea in the next month or two. So I'm not choosing a plan just yet, will hang fire.

Really annoyed at this. Was on Octopus but our energy usage is mainly during peak periods and changing usage to off peak was not realistic. We therefore switched to Ovo as we can use the 7p charge anytime and the all day price was only 0.5p more expensive than my old Octopus rate 24.5p vs 25p. Octopus was something like 29p when using the EV tariff.

Now stuck with this awful OVO tariff as all the other providers have put their standard price up making moving impossible. Scumbag move even though you can leave without penalty it's not financially worth it.
 
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Really annoyed at this. Was on Octopus but our energy usage is mainly during peak periods and changing usage to off peak was not realistic. We therefore switched to Ovo as we can use the 7p charge anytime and the all day price was only 0.5p more expensive than my old Octopus rate 24.5p vs 25p. Octopus was something like 29p when using the EV tariff.

Now stuck with this awful OVO tariff as all the other providers have put their standard price up making moving impossible. Scumbag move even though you can leave without penalty it's not financially worth it.
Move back to Octpopus
 
Cheers for the ideas/advice. My sketch does not show this but garden/driveway 'walls' are just wooden fences. Only the house are bricks.
They said no on using the wooden fence and adviced underground cables for safety reasons.
Ill check other installers for quotations for a non-standard install to get the charger close to the driveway.
Back to your orignal question, £900 for an untetherd Zappi is in the right ballpark.

That said, I'd probably pay the extra to not have to deal with a 20m cable every time I needed to charge my car, this would involve me digging the trench myself though.
 
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Move back to Octpopus

Prices have gone up for peak period substantially on the Octopus Intelligent Go:

Day rate (05:30 - 23:30)
31.94 p/kWh

Where as my OVO tarriff is:

Unit rate
23.89p per Kilowatt hour

Either way we've been screwed. I doubt OVO will be the only provider increasing the prices. What is ridiculous is that it's cheaper just to charge at 14p kw/h rather than use any of their subscription options. From my quick and admittedly poor maths with the free £120 public charging at 0.80p kw/h using public chargers it still costs 14.6p kw/h when using the £27.50 tariff? Literally makes no sense.
 
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I've come to a similar conclusion - moving to Octopus would be roughly break even for me, even with OVO charging 14p rather than 7p now
 
Prices have gone up for peak period substantially on the Octopus Intelligent Go:

Day rate (05:30 - 23:30)
31.94 p/kWh

Where as my OVO tarriff is:

Unit rate
23.89p per Kilowatt hour

Either way we've been screwed. I doubt OVO will be the only provider increasing the prices. What is ridiculous is that it's cheaper just to charge at 14p kw/h rather than use any of their subscription options. From my quick and admittedly poor maths with the free £120 public charging at 0.80p kw/h using public chargers it still costs 14.6p kw/h when using the £27.50 tariff? Literally makes no sense.
IOG is 29.2p vs 26.5p for the regular tariff after the October price rise for me.

Your's being 3p more expensive seems, quite a lot. I assume your 23p rate is pre-october rise also?

That said, even if most of your house useage is in the peak period, it may still be cheaper to be on IOG. Based on the 31.94p/kwh rate, if 80% of your house use was at the peak rate, your average rate would be about 26.9p/kwh which is roughtly the price cap going into October (for me anyway - not sure where you live).

When I moved to IOG, my electricy bill excluding car charging actually went down and I didn't do any 'extreeme' time shifting. All that changed was the diswasher and very occationally the washing machine got put on overnight and that was it. Everything else was business as usual.

EDIT - That Octopus price is probably the fixed tariff they are now offering, thats 31.64p for me, the variable rate is much lower at 28.96p (current rate, new rate is 29.2p as above)

Using my 80% split above, the average rate would be 24.76p on the variable version. Once you factor in charging, that will come right down.

Edit2: updated the above calculation to use the new rate.
 
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My sketch does not show this but garden/driveway 'walls' are just wooden fences. Only the house are bricks.

ah then my suggestions won't work then :(

They said no on using the wooden fence and adviced underground cables for safety reasons.
Ill check other installers for quotations for a non-standard install to get the charger close to the driveway.
i've not heard/seen installs where cables were mounted to wooden fences, but it wouldn't hurt to ask though
 
i've not heard/seen installs where cables were mounted to wooden fences, but it wouldn't hurt to ask though
It's against the electrical regulations, fenses are considered to be temporary structures and you can't affix cables to them. It makes sense if you think about it given every time there is a bit of wind, someone's fence falls over.
 
Ye, plus wood is flammable material compared to a brick they said.

Back to planning and phoning installers for me.
Many thanks.
 
IOG is 29.2p vs 26.5p for the regular tariff after the October price rise for me.

Your's being 3p more expensive seems, quite a lot. I assume your 23p rate is pre-october rise also?

That said, even if most of your house useage is in the peak period, it may still be cheaper to be on IOG. Based on the 31.94p/kwh rate, if 80% of your house use was at the peak rate, your average rate would be about 26.9p/kwh which is roughtly the price cap going into October (for me anyway - not sure where you live).

When I moved to IOG, my electricy bill excluding car charging actually went down and I didn't do any 'extreeme' time shifting. All that changed was the diswasher and very occationally the washing machine got put on overnight and that was it. Everything else was business as usual.

EDIT - That Octopus price is probably the fixed tariff they are now offering, thats 31.64p for me, the variable rate is much lower at 28.96p (current rate, new rate is 29.2p as above)

Using my 80% split above, the average rate would be 24.76p on the variable version. Once you factor in charging, that will come right down.

Edit2: updated the above calculation to use the new rate.

I've initiated a switch back to Octopus. Issue is I can't sign up to IOG until it's complete so I'll end up paying a slightly higher rate. Don't really care - companies doing shady anti consumer things like OVO need to go out of business.
 
IOG is currently 27.85, and will go up to 28.22 for me. standing charge will be 51.8p.
Mine will be:
Standing charge = 47.632p
Day rate = 28.124p
Night rate = 7p
Estimated cost increase over a year is £20

I was paying on average to EDF £120 a month, our last IOG bill was for £66 including charging EV.
 
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Current IOG electric is 54.918p standing charge and 27.481p kWh. New rate will be 57.159p and 27.879p. Overnight is still 7p kWh.
 
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