this has nothing what so ever to do with ilegal migrants!!! This id card is for conscription purposes only. This is the uk goverment preparing for war . I will not be fighting for a goverment that does nt fight for me.
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A new challenger enters the arena, DG needs to step up his game because that is an incredibly strong first post from Donkey
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The way this has been framed hasn't been optimal.
They could've just announced that they'll be modernizing the NI system by requiring a photo ID, and at the same time increased the penalties for not checking right to work/funding for Home Office to do more employer checks.
Which makes me think that they're doing this for some other reason, either as a distraction or as a bung to whatever contractors end up building this new system. So I voted against even though I have nothing against an ID system in principle.
They could've just announced that they'll be modernizing the NI system by requiring a photo ID, and at the same time increased the penalties for not checking right to work/funding for Home Office to do more employer checks.
Which makes me think that they're doing this for some other reason, either as a distraction or as a bung to whatever contractors end up building this new system. So I voted against even though I have nothing against an ID system in principle.
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Also, since it's been mentioned a few times, China's social credit system is basically all gone now; it was only ever a bunch of pilot schemes in actuality; more similar to our credit rating systems that banks use than anything else. ID cards are incredibly convenient in China now, particularly for travelling as it can be linked to metro, train and flight tickets, used for hotel bookings, etc. Only thing they could do to improve it is turn it into a proper wallet linked to your WeChat account so you don't even need your phone to pay for things.
I'm sure it helps prevent a boatload of crime too by making it easier to track down and trace suspects.
I'm sure it helps prevent a boatload of crime too by making it easier to track down and trace suspects.
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I'm not really against universal ID/ Digital ID as a concept.
My main concerns are that the government will make a right hash of it with it costing billions more than it need do so for an inferior product to what could have been achieved at the end.
My main concerns are that the government will make a right hash of it with it costing billions more than it need do so for an inferior product to what could have been achieved at the end.
This it what it boils down to for me, a plan that won't fix the issue it's being sold to fix. Much like the online safety bill thing.
Add on to that it's likely to be operated by a private company either from the start or in the future due to some cost saving on paper and will be such a target to be misused or hacked.
Then we have the data collection from the app on the device itself, I vaguely remember there being a bit of fuss from either the NHS app or the COVID track and trace with it have asking for far reaching permission, beyond what was needed to be functional.
Mission creep is inevitable and that's not a future I want
This is such an own goal from a PR perspective, I genuinely don't know what they were thinking.
its too keep a eye on people. ww3 aint happening. they gotta make that money.
'We're really unpopular with the general public, with almost no chance of being re-elected but we're likely to remain in power for a few more years so we might as well introduce some measures which don't poll well with the UK public, but which might have a good argument for them (even if the public disagree and likely not for the reasons being claimed up front).
National ID systems, including digital ID's, are pretty common among other developed and developing nations. It's a fair bit of fuss over not a lot really.
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why cause i post the truth. the card doesnt help us in anyway and anyone not wanting to be found detected for being in this country illegally wont have one. pointless.
Clearly some politico strategy goon has stuck their ore in and gone "Why don't we say we can use 'Digital ID' to help with lowering asylum seekers working when they're not allowed to or migrants who work when it's not on their visa" that'll get us to good press, then some other yes goon who has the PMs ear has gone "That's a great idea".
They should just be marketing it as provenance of you for government services. For example, Great news everyone, got married and changed your name, well now you don't need to tell other departments or services, because Digital ID does that for you. HMRC for your personal tax account will get updated and fed back to your employer, GP and NHS services get notified, DVLA automatically issues a new driving license and updates any vehicle log books, Passport Office sends you a new passport, business registrations through Companies House updated automatically, title deeds on your property updated through Land Registry, student finance record updated.
etc etc
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Make sure you don't get one.
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Where?
Not sure I'll need to worry then - as soon as they link my Digital ID to my Steam account they'll see my CS2 kill:death ratio
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Personal records from all of those databases have been compromised in the past. There is also a serious risk from corrupt employees who have access to national government databases. Data held by the NHS Summary Care Record has been compromised that way in the past.
The DVLA has a spotty history of competently maintaining their driving license database. I remember when they "lost" the driving license details of thousands of law-abiding people who had motorcycle driving licenses and the only option they gave those people was to retake their driving tests!
The thing you fail to grasp is that the new digital ID database will collate data from all the above databases on to a single database (equivalent to the old National Identity Register - NIR - database) which will make it far more vulnerable to theft. In effect, it's like putting all your eggs in one basket. If it gets compromised you are stuffed.
For example, at the moment when logging into the Government Gateway the extra security they have requires you to supply details of your UK-issued driving license and passport etc. If a fraudster wanted to impersonate you to get in there they would at least need copies of your driving license and passport, plus they would need to have stolen/cloned your mobile phone SIM card (for the 2FA OTP). But if they couldn't get access to your personal documents then they would need information from two disparate government databases held by different departments. The issue with the proposed digital ID system is that once your driving license/passport serial numbers, start/expiry dates etc are added to a future NIR equivalent all the identity thief/fraudster would need to victimise you is compromised data from a single government database.
The government has a terrible history of securing its databases. If they put all our personal data (including fingerprints. iris scans and 3D facial scans) with cross-references to all our interactions with the state on to a single database with a million points-of-entry it's bound to eventually get hacked or compromised by an insider and its data stolen. Frankly, I don't trust them to do it safely and maintain its security.
The prevention of small boats arrivals justification is clearly disingenuous nonsense, just as the prevention of al Qaeda terror attacks in the UK (which were done by "clean skins", including a school teacher on 7/7) was a good cover story to justify Blair's national ID card scheme.
Yes, but you cannot extrapolate the situation with national ID cards in other countries to how they will be used in the UK. Go and read the "Identity Cards Act 2006" for an example of how over-the-top the British national digital ID scheme is likely to be. For example, the last NIDC scheme had a £2,500 fine for failing to attend your biometric data collection interview (on each occasion).
Few other European countries had NIDC schemes that went as far as that one. For example, in Germany, the British 2006-10 NIDC scheme would have actually been illegal due to legislation explicitly passed after World War 2 to prevent any risk of a repeat of the Holocaust. That was because of the collation of information from disparate sources on the NIR database and the policy to use the NIRN (NIR's unique personal identifier) to create a meta-database of all our interactions with private sector entities.
Most of the illegal immigrants to the UK apply for political asylum shortly after they get here. That way they get free accommodation and a living allowance. A minority disappear into the black market. For example, many Albanian and Vietnamese illegal immigrants who had paid people-smugglers ended up working on cannabis farms etc. For the latter group, a national digital ID scheme would be irrelevant as they steer clear of reputable employers/landlords and government agencies. It might make life harder for asylum seekers who are working illegally (Deliveroo riders etc), but much cheaper targeted rules at that occupation would achieve the same result
Yes, but there has to be some mechanism for the public to lawfully and publicly show their disapproval for this policy (letters to MPs are private and are just brushed off). It was not in the last Labour Party manifesto, so it can be argued that Starmer resurrecting this policy from 2006 without any warning and using his huge Parliamentary majority to force it through is unreasonable.
National ID cards from EU countries inside the Schenghen Area can be used for travel between those countries, but that is irrelevant to any future UK NID scheme as we are not in the EU. The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) set the international standards for passports and no national ID cards meet them, so our NID scheme will never be used for international travel.
About three times more benefit money went unclaimed last year in the UK than was stolen by fraudsters. But once the government starts fingerprinting and interviewing law-abiding British citizens like common criminals you can be sure than many more people will claim every penny of benefits they are entitled to. Hence, it may actually cause a net increase in the benefits bill.
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That's nothing. Wait until they see how many times I got killed in a random field in France in HLL.Not sure I'll need to worry then - as soon as they link my Digital ID to my Steam account they'll see my CS2 kill:death ratio